I really don't know what the big deal is about Russia.

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Re: I really don't know what the big deal is about Russia.

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DarkHelmet wrote:
karl61 wrote:They say that they tried to influence the recent election. The only problem is the United States has a long history of influencing elections in other countries. If the United States thinks this is a bad thing then stop doing it to other countries.


It is possible to believe both are a big deal.


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Re: I really don't know what the big deal is about Russia.

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Doctor CamNC4Me wrote:
MeDotOrg wrote:Mohammed Mosaddegh


Yeah, we literally trolled the Iranian people just like the Russians trolled us. The only difference, of course, is our trolling cost the Iranians around 30,000 lives. It was absolutely disgusting what we did to them. And I believe this one was actually over oil, too.

- Doc

The original oil leases the British extracted from Iran were horrible deals that took advantage of Iranian ignorance on the subject. (Most of the original deals were signed before World War I.)

The United States had made a much better arrangement for Saudi Arabia when ARAMCO was created, and the Iranians wanted to re-negotiate their deals based upon a similar model. In Iran, the Iranians working the oil fields lived in huts while the wealthy BP oil executives had access to the golf courses in Iran.

But the British government was just coming out of World War II, where it had been bombed, acquired massive debt and lost the crown jewel of its colonies, India. They desperately needed the Iranian oil. So the British said 'hard cheese, old man' to the Iranians. They refused to re-negotiate the deal. Mossaddegh, the Iranian Prime Minister, nationalized the oil industry in response. The United States and Great Britain orchestrated a coup against the government. (The American effort was actually led by Theodore Roosevelt's grandson.)

So yes, it had to do with colonialism and control of oil.

Historical footnote: The Shah of Iran was staying in a hotel in Rome while the coup occurred. He had to be coaxed back into the country by the people orchestrating the coup in his name.
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Re: I really don't know what the big deal is about Russia.

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subgenius wrote:
Brackite wrote:The Electoral College is more to blame than Russia on why we got Trump as President. Our country should have gotten rid of the Electoral College many years ago.

Well, that's just stupid.


Did not Trump while having won the Electoral College ended up to losing that popular vote to Hillary Clinton by about 2.86 million votes??

https://uselectionatlas.org/RESULTS/national.php


https://transition.fec.gov/general/Fede ... 2016.shtml


Clinton's popular vote margin over Trump was larger than Carter's popular vote margin over Ford.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_ ... tion,_1976

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_ ... tion,_2016
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