How do we all feel about Military Parades?

[_Doctor CamNC4Me]

They guy who shot and killed Osama said that "this is 3rd world bull ____."

- Doc

so? the appeal to authority fallacy is not an actual argument.

I'm sorry. What authority?

- Doc

[_subgenius]

I'm sorry. What authority?

- Doc

how presumptuous of me (must be contagious). I must have misunderstood why you deemed it necessary to point out the opinion of someone whose credentials are "the guy who shot and killed Osama".

[Guest]

I'm sorry. What authority?

- Doc

how presumptuous of me (must be contagious). I must have misunderstood why you deemed it necessary to point out the opinion of someone whose credentials are "the guy who shot and killed Osama".

I mean. You might be right that I alpealed to an authority figure in the sense a Navy SEAL prefers our readiness and reputation not be compromised by a Banana Republic show of military strength to assuage the childlike sensibilities of a dotard.

So, in a sense, if I as a football fan disliked, say Goodell's selection of Houston as a Supreb Owl site, and I mentioned that Aaron Rodgers thinks it was a mistake for whatever reason, I suppose you could say I'm appealing to an authority. I guess....

How does this change the fact that President Trump is making a terrible decision with this parade?

- Doc

[_EAllusion]

Putting forth an "argument" by James Madison as being indicative of what the FFs intended or wanted is a fallacy and does not confirm the poster's claim...if you want to claim that some or these particular FFs wanted this or that, then sure - but that is not what the poster was trying to infer.

You don't even appear to understand what you are arguing. The claim I made is that standing armies were anathema to near universal founding father sensibilities. Because of this, a massive parade of a standing army to show military power in the nation's capital would be something they'd not like. You retorted that the section of the Constitution that authorizes Congress with the ability to temporarily raise a standing army contradicts that. I point out that, no, it doesn't, and moreover the fact that it is explicitly limited to two years whereas the navy is not is an artifact of that standing army skepticism.

Then you continue to argue that they could levy standing armies and, later on, did so and therefore what they thought about the subject, as indicating by their writing, is not relevant. Of course it's relevant because the very point of contention is what the thought about standing armies. Pointing out what they did was only meant to bolster a false argument you made about what it is they thought. Even the federalist push for a standing army conceded that it was a necessary evil to be treated with great caution.

Modern militaristic nationalism, which lies at the base of Trump's strongman desires, is something the founding fathers were utterly hostile to. These are people who led the rebellion against what they saw as an abusive, occupying military force.

[_EAllusion]

I was in Paris in 2007 for Bastille Day. Tanks are nice but so 20th century. Air and sea power are America's strength and not able to even begin to demonstrate on a boulevard.

If you want to honor the veterans, honor the veterans. What this parade will do is create a disruption in resource deployment and unnecessary additional costs which will be borne by the taxpayers. National security and prestige will not be enhanced, only the will of one man will be displayed.

Bastille Day's military parade is a celebration of when the military sided with the Republic when that was in doubt. It's specific to a event in the history of French democracy. What Trump wants is the kind of parade we are used to seeing displayed by totalitarian governments the US fought a cold war against.

I don't think anyone mentioned it in this thread, but it was widely reported that Trump wanted this for his inauguration day parade, but was shot down by his advisers. The roads of DC aren't built to handle tanks and missiles. The Trump admin denied this initially, but about a month later some leaked reports indicated that this story was legitimate. From there, it disappeared because the Trump admin has oodles of head-shaking stories every week. This recent revival of the call for a military parade with tanks, etc. does strongly support the original claim.

[_EAllusion]

It would be funny if Trump, during the parade, was dressed in full dictator regalia with medals down to the hemline and oversized aviator glasses.

Omg Google never disappoints:



- Doc

It is interesting how often a person becomes a despot and almost immediately decides to look like captain Crunch. It's something about authoritarian personalities.





Given his love of tacky things and his penchant for authoritarianism, you just know this is how Trump would love to dress. Unfortunately, the President looking like a civilian is still a fairly strong norm in our country.

[_subgenius]

How does this change the fact that President Trump is making a terrible decision with this parade?

- Doc

because the navy seals opinion does not establish it as a fact, it only establishes his opinion....just as it is your opinion.
Point being, lots of opinions abeing posted about this proposed parade and very little fact. No one seems to have caught on to the pattern of Trump launching emotional distractions at liberals while winning negotiation after negotion....there's an art to it.

[_moksha]

To carry on with Trump's enthusiasm for the Bastille Day Parade, perhaps Melania could start off the parade festivities with the proclamation, "Let them eat cake!"

[_subgenius]

To carry on with Trump's enthusiasm for the Bastille Day Parade, perhaps Melania could start off the parade festivities with the proclamation, "Let them eat cake!"

[_Doctor CamNC4Me]

How does this change the fact that President Trump is making a terrible decision with this parade?

- Doc

because the navy seals opinion does not establish it as a fact, it only establishes his opinion....just as it is your opinion.
Point being, lots of opinions abeing posted about this proposed parade and very little fact. No one seems to have caught on to the pattern of Trump launching emotional distractions at liberals while winning negotiation after negotion....there's an art to it.

Non sequitur aside, how doea it change the fact that that the parade is a terrible decision? This isn't Trump playing 4d chess.

- Doc