How do we all feel about Military Parades?

[_subgenius]

Non sequitur aside, how doea it change the fact that that the parade is a terrible decision? This isn't Trump playing 4d chess.

- Doc

Because it is not actually a "fact", it is just an opinion...an opinion shared by some and not by others....that is actually a fact...and either way, with very little known about the actual proposed parade it seems rather foolish to form any judgment as to what is "a fact" until one has actual facts on the matter.The assumption that the parade would be less Bastille Day and more Saddam-firing-a-rifle-in-the-air-from-a-balcony is a bit childish at this point.
So, with the absence of facts about the proposed parade one can imagine a bona-fide parade that inspires - or - one can imagine some sort of cold-war dictator ego show. Either way it is still just your imagination.

[_Markk]

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-ne ... 180968102/

https://www.cnn.com/2018/02/07/us/ameri ... index.html

It's not like military parades are not part of our history...is it really such a bad thing, or just fuel for our hypocrisy.

Check out the bust of FDR..or the Nukes on trucks by Kennedy.

[_Doctor CamNC4Me]

You two actually want to pay for a parade, that logistically and operationally, would run into the billions?

That. Makes no sense.

- Doc

[_Markk]

You two actually want to pay for a parade, that logistically and operationally, would run into the billions?

That. Makes no sense.

- Doc

Doc,

I would much rather pay for a parade, than having our presidents fly around the country for party fund raising on our dime. I have no problem with a military parade...if done tastefully. I do have a problem with trucks with rockets and goose stepping...I understand both views, perception is so subjective. But, I do believe our military deserves a parade once in while.

I am not sure it would cost billions, or anywhere close to that, where did you get those numbers? That is too much for a parade in my opinion...I am sure they can do one for much less.

[Guest]

Not a military parade but certainly timely...from Germany...

http://www.joemygod.com/2018/02/12/germ ... mp-parade/

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Our president has brought such prestige and respect to the White House. Making America Great Again is the envy of the world.

Our troops don't need marketing. They have actual jobs and responsibility and experience and we gave them love and respect long before Trump showed up. They aren't narcissistic CEOs of a family held real estate company pretending to be something they aren't.

[_Doctor CamNC4Me]

I am not sure it would cost billions, or anywhere close to that, where did you get those numbers? That is too much for a parade in my opinion...I am sure they can do one for much less.

I dunno. Maybe having spent twenty years in the Army, a 1/4 of which generating budgets and understanding logistics & operational costs kind of colors my reality on something like this.

It would be a massive, massive, massive expenditure to plan, encamp, and execute a military operation with tens of thousands of troops, equipment, airplanes, helicopters, security assets, and then repairs to infrastructure.

I'm surprised businessmen like yourself don't see the total costs of this kind of thing.

- Doc

[_Xenophon]

Obviously Doc has way more first hand experience with this than me so I appreciate his perspective. If it helps for establishing a baseline, Mick Mulvaney says they are guessing between 10 and 30 million big ones. This is of course an estimate with no understanding of scope or location so take that with a grain of salt. It kind of looks like they just picked a range that included previous costs of parades adjusted for inflation. Anyone want to take the "under" on a government project cost? I'm sure Vegas would give you good odds.

[_Doctor CamNC4Me]

Obviously Doc has way more first hand experience with this than me so I appreciate his perspective. If it helps for establishing a baseline, Mick Mulvaney says they are guessing between 10 and 30 million big ones. This is of course an estimate with no understanding of scope or location so take that with a grain of salt. It kind of looks like they just picked a range that included previous costs of parades adjusted for inflation. Anyone want to take the "under" on a government project cost? I'm sure Vegas would give you good odds.

Well. If you're talking about a parade that Trump's (no pun intended, actually, you know what? I'm going to own that) Bastille Day you're going to have to import at the very minimum of 30,000 troops. That's just for marching. And we're not even talking about paying for foreign troops to march, veterans, and all sorts of other people to march in this thing. Estimating conservatively (no pun inten... you know what? I'll own that one too) you're looking at $100/day for lodging and per diem. And I'm telling you now that's on the low end.

30,000 troops to move, encamp, participate, decamp, and then move again you're looking at a 30-day operation. You're looking at $900,000,000 just to move people around. I'm not even talking about the logistical costs. Fuel, plane tix, transporting equipment, so on and so forth. There's a reason why troop movement is enormously expensive, and people would find out pretty quickly having a parade is insanely expensive and wasteful.

Y'all think I'm kidding around when I say this thing would cost billions. And let's not even factor in the cost of taking out the loan to pay for it since it's an unforeseen expense, and then the interest to pay this loan off over the course of probably thirty years. It's absolutely inexcusable to do something like this.

- Doc

[_Xenophon]

Y'all think I'm kidding around when I say this thing would cost billions. And let's not even factor in the cost of taking out the loan to pay for it since it's an unforeseen expense, and then the interest to pay this loan off over the course of probably thirty years. It's absolutely inexcusable to do something like this.

- Doc

I don't think you're kidding around, I meant it when I suggested you had way more experience with the back end budgeting than I am familiar with. I mainly just threw out the White House number to show how little thought has actually gone into it, it seriously just looks like they took the '91 numbers and adjusted for inflation.

[_Doctor CamNC4Me]

Y'all think I'm kidding around when I say this thing would cost billions. And let's not even factor in the cost of taking out the loan to pay for it since it's an unforeseen expense, and then the interest to pay this loan off over the course of probably thirty years. It's absolutely inexcusable to do something like this.

- Doc

I don't think you're kidding around, I meant it when I suggested you had way more experience with the back end budgeting than I am familiar with. I mainly just threw out the White House number to show how little thought has actually gone into it, it seriously just looks like they took the '91 numbers and adjusted for inflation.

Oh yeah. Since we have real world obligations and missions you're going to have to activate a damn load of Guard and Reserve for this thing. The cost to not only put a bunch of fighter jets, bombers, cargo planes, helicopters, and everything in between up in the air for the parade, but for the training leading up to the parade is astronomical. Don't forget the Navy will participate, too. So they'll have to move assets into the operational area, fly them in and fly them out.

These dumb craps looking around for money to pay for a wall would be better served to cancel the parade and throw it at their pet project along the border. Maybe that's the 4d chess our resident head trauma case is talking about...

- Doc