Massive School Walkout Across Florida and Elsewhere

[_Dr. Shades]

Or it would provide teachers with a method to bring an end to the killing much faster.

How many gun fights have you been in Shades?

None, but I don't see how that's relevant to my point.

[_Themis]

How many gun fights have you been in Shades?

1. You hear shooting down the hall.
2. you close and blockade the door.
3. everyone hides best they can
4.
a. you hopelessly/helplessly wait to be shot.
b. you await, gun in hand, aimed at door.

I choose 4b

They would be waiting for police to arrive. The problem here is not a teacher having a gun in this situation which will not happen for the vast majority of teachers out there. The problem is a teacher having a gun the rest of the time and whether that increases the number of people shoot and killed each year, and would it lower the number killed in mass shooting at schools. Maybe the number would go up as you now have a lot of guns in the school.

[_MeDotOrg]

The gun culture of the United States is a dysfunctional danger to the United States. Each time one of these mass murders occurs, the knee-jerk reaction of the NRA is to turn our schools into armed camps. So protect our children the way we protect Congress and the President? How much does this add to our national budget every year, a budget where most school teachers have to buy their own school supplies, let alone budget for armed guards?

Bill O'Reilly calls this the 'price of freedom'. Armed guards in our schools is the price of TYRANNY, a tyranny imposed by the small minority of Americans who believe that their attachment to semi-automatic weapons is more important than the mass shootings and terror those weapons impart every year to children across the United States.

If we are going to study gun violence in this country, the people have the right to know how much gun violence costs this country. President Trump says he's a competent businessman. What is the cost/benefit ratio of allowing citizens to buy semi-automatic weapons? The Center for Disease Control has had funding yanked to study guns as a health problem. When he first took office, Trump took steps to make sure that people who had been adjudicated as mentally ill did not lose their rights to gun ownership.

No other civilized country in the world has this problem. Other countries have mentally ill people, but they do not massacre their citizens because they do not have the easy access to weapons of mass destruction. Most countries recognize that military assault rifles and semi-automatic weapons are more about mass destruction and less about personal defense.

With respect to the Second Amendment, 'American Exceptionalism' seems to mean our God-given right to kill each other with the most lethal weapons we can buy.

[_Maksutov]

Stupid statement Doc, security guard (could not make police force) and/or any other profession has more 'stable' individuals than teachers?

Teachers well may be more stable than most.

You're out of your mind if you think arming teachers is a good idea. I don't even know where to begin with the issues that would inevitably crop up with that one.

- Doc

You'd better start spelling them out because these dumfux don't get it.


My wife is a retired educator. Ask the teachers. They don't want the job. They didn't sign on for that. There are a zillion complications that ensue in trying to maintain a teaching staff as a police force. All so that a few screaming snowflake babies don't get triggered by not having another trigger to pull. Jesus.

[_EAllusion]

It's not just teachers who snap. There will be teachers who think they are playing hero who will gun down innocents. Police do this often enough. If there's a massive increase in armed school officials who believe they need to carry to stop shootings, you will get some accidental shootings of misidentified assailents.

[_honorentheos]

I know a few teachers, a couple of co-worker's spouses are teachers, and one of my siblings is a high school math teacher. Every one of them has complained extensively about the unrealistic burdens put on teachers while paychecks continue to shrink as they have to purchase more and more out of pocket to just make things work in the class room.

Now, they get to be security as well. Brilliant.

[_Maksutov]

It's not just teachers who snap. There will be teachers who think they are playing hero who will gun down innocents. Police do this often enough. If there's a massive increased in armed school officials who believe they need to carry to stop shootings, you will get some accidental shootings of misidentified assailents.

It happens in many combat, police and SWAT situations. Let a million SWAT teams bloom and call them schools.

[_Doctor CamNC4Me]

Well. Off the top off my ample head I can think of a few:

1) Teacher has their gun taken from them by a student. Any number of things could go sideways with that one.

2) Teacher is being assaulted by a student, and the teacher discharges their weapon in 'self-defense'.

3) Teacher snaps and shoots another teacher, admin, student, self, or parent.

4) Teacher, in defense of their students, fires at suspect hitting other students, staff, law enforcement, or service animal.

5) Teacher loses weapon on school grounds, or has it stolen.

6) Teachers become targets since they're known to own weapons.

7) Strife amongst pro and anti-gun teachers cause toxic work environment.

I mean. It creates a host of unnecessary problems that currently don't exist and it does nothing to stop a shooter from coming to school to kill people. If anything it might be considered sporting.

eta: At one of my units an accidental discharge got you fired. If a teacher has an AD does that mean they should be fired? Come the “F” on. What's wrong with with people who think this is a good idea?

- Doc

[_EAllusion]

This is a good thread:

It points out that police are held to a different, lighter standard by the law for when they can legally shoot someone. It cites numerous examples of courts clearing police when they just decide to gun someone down on a flimsy pretext.

https://Twitter.com/bradheath/status/96 ... 82528?s=20

If we arm teachers and authorize them to use lethal force, do immunity priviledges come with that too? Or are they still treated as vigilante citizens?

[_Doctor Steuss]