You don't need Jesus

[Guest]

So as the saying goes, either, lead, follow or get the “F” out of the way.

So god, either redeem, forgive or get the “F” out of our lives.

Amen. Bible god is nothing but a dismal failure on all fronts. Jehovah reigned through blood and horror and then thinks to make things right by sending a greasy freak of a Jew to save the whole world. What's up with that? Is that the best Jehovah can do is send someone to tell us to drink his blood and eat his flesh? That's suppose to be salvation?

No thanks, I'll save myself and keep my money. I don't want nothing to do with Jesus and his bloody cult. I'm not going to let them interfere with my happiness and joy. No way!

[_Shulem]

Oh, and by the way, be at least as useful as GOOGLE GOD and answer questions tangibly! Or else you're as useless as crap ON A STICK.

Which is Jesus' flavor.

[_Mormonicious]

god and jebus are as useful as a Selectric Typewriter.



Mormon Missionaries are out trying to sell the elements as useful and meaningful in a Computerized World



And here is Spencer W. Kimball's useful Repentance ribbon

[_Doctor CamNC4Me]

Did you know Moses failed to circumcise his son? This made God angry since Moses was to lead God's people. Circumcision was an affirmation of God's covenant to Abraham that God had a plan for them. God was going to kill Moses, but his wife circumcised his son with a sharp piece of rock and made it right with God.

Think about that for a hot minute.

I had my dick mutilated because Jehovah loves Him some foreskins. smfh.

- Doc

[_huckelberry]

blood on my ear, the horror.

Fortunately I am not related to Aaron and would not be eligible for the priesthood and am thus spared this terror.
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Shulem ,Even though I think you are putting on a bit of an hysterical show here you may be correct to see some dimension of fear in these rituals. People were expected to confront fear with courage ,courage being a valuable social resource.

[_Shulem]

Did you know Moses failed to circumcise his son? This made God angry since Moses was to lead God's people. Circumcision was an affirmation of God's covenant to Abraham that God had a plan for them. God was going to kill Moses, but his wife circumcised his son with a sharp piece of rock and made it right with God.

Think about that for a hot minute.

I had my dick mutilated because Jehovah loves Him some foreskins. smfh.

- Doc

The barbarism of circumcision is totally Jesus's fault. Mormonism makes it clear that premortal Jesus is guilty of giving the law of cutting flesh as a token of obedience. The angry Israelite god was cruel and inhuman -- requiring constant burnt offerings and the total devotion of his followers insomuch that the men must circumcise themselves or suffer the consequences. It was all about maintaining the cult. That's the bottom line. If you can control the crotch you can control the purse strings and get someone to do just about anything.

It's interesting to contemplate St Paul's personal disdain for this barbaric ancient practice. He wanted nothing to do with circumcision and wasn't wanting to incorporate that into Jehovah's newly organized cult. It was an excellent opportunity to get rid of a bad thing and move forward.

[_Maksutov]

Billions upon billions have gotten along just fine without Jesus. I'd argue we'd be better off having never had the idea we're inherently corrupted and can potentially suffer beyond death without adoring Jesus.

Jesus is 100% unnecessary and is counterproductive to our well-being.

- Doc

In fact he's divisive. He did not come to bring peace but a sword. Or a piece.

[_Shulem]

blood on my ear, the horror.

Fortunately I am not related to Aaron and would not be eligible for the priesthood and am thus spared this terror.
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Shulem ,Even though I think you are putting on a bit of an hysterical show here you may be correct to see some dimension of fear in these rituals. People were expected to confront fear with courage ,courage being a valuable social resource.

huckelberry,

At least you admit it was a terror you've been spared. Really, the law of Moses and sacred rites practiced by the House of Israel were horrifying and despicable by modern standards. FEAR was the first principle of Jehovah's gospel and he enforced it by the point of the sword. Jehovah was murderous and so also were his prophets. I have utter disdain for Jehovah. He is one of the worst figures in history, totally evil, ever devised by the imagination of man.

I'm really not being hysterical. I'm being realistic. I think you can appreciate that.

[_Shulem]

In fact he's divisive. He did not come to bring peace but a sword. Or a piece.

Which brings up an interesting point had Jesus's newly organized cult continued to evolve under his direct leadership. As it was, the Jews felt threatened and suspected that Jesus was going to get them into hot water with the Romans. I think the Jews feared that Jesus would lead the people into open revolt against the Romans and attempt to assert independence by any means. Any successes on Jesus's part would put him in the captains seat and ultimately make him the governor of the Jewish nation -- perhaps even the new king -- and certainly the prophet and spiritual guru.

Indeed, Jesus was a threat and was dangerous. His doctrine of drinking his blood and eating his flesh is a testament to his madness and just how far he was willing to go in instituting his newly organized cult -- an offspring from the Law of Moses, a complete reorganization with him as prophet, priest, and king.

How ironic it is that the death and failure of Jesus probably spared the lives of countless Jews.

Amen.

[_Shulem]

O God, the Eternal Father, we ask thee in the name of thy Son, Jesus Christ, to bless and sanctify this wine to the souls of all those who drink of it, that they may do it in remembrance of the blood of thy Son, which was shed for them; that they may witness unto thee, O God, the Eternal Father, that they do always remember him, that they may have his Spirit to be with them. Amen.

No! I'm not going to drink wine or water that is made to symbolize another person's blood which was supposedly shed for sins. That is just gross! This sacramental rite is barbaric and should not be practiced by anyone. It's a cult incantation that glorifies Jehovah's continuous thirst for blood and unwillingness to forgive sin out of natural love from the heart. No one needs to die for someone's sins. Nobody needs to suffer for someone's wrong doings. Animals need not be slaughtered and neither does God have to come down and hang on a cross.

Christian doctrine is repugnant and should be loudly protested by those of conscience who refuse to bend the knee to Christian tyranny. The Crusades are over. Christianity is not the window dressing for virtue. A belief in Christ saving people from hell is not helping people love themselves and rely upon their own virtue and strength. Christianity is about laying guilt upon everyone's back and making people feel they aren't good enough no matter what they do.

I encourage everyone to set aside their faith in Jesus Christ and confess that you don't need Jesus and his blood to feel love and be loved in this universe. Put Jesus down. Lay aside the cult and learn to live and stand on your own two feet!

Amen.