Armed Cop was at School: didn't go in

[_Jersey Girl]

Markkkk look upthread and notice Steuss's post about there being 3 other deputies on the scene. I just read a CNN report where it says there was the officer we're discussing and 3 other sheriff's deputies on the scene outside the building when county arrived.

Did the Sheriff mention the presence of those 3 deputies? If so, did he put their names out there as he did the first?

If not, why not when all 4 deputies belong to HIM? Did this Sheriff have all the facts at hand when he did his press conference? Was that half assed reporting on his part or not?

Do you see now why you cannot trust the accuracy of what comes out of the Sheriff's mouth the first time around?

[_Markk]

Markkkk look upthread and notice Steuss's post about there being 3 other deputies on the scene. I just read a CNN report where it says there was the officer we're discussing and 3 other sheriff's deputies on the scene outside the building when county arrived.

Did the Sheriff mention the presence of those 3 deputies? If so, did he put their names out there as he did the first?

If not, why not when all 4 deputies belong to HIM? Did this Sheriff have all the facts at hand when he did his press conference? Was that half assed reporting on his part or not?

Do you see now why you cannot trust the accuracy of what comes out of the Sheriff's mouth the first time around?

If true, then that makes it even worse that 4 officers did not do their duty. Peterson was the campus resource officer, onsite, and froze...he failed in his duty.

If Peterson was told to stand down, I doubt he would have retired, but would have fought back.

We will see how this unfolds...if there were three more that did not address the shooter and attempt to stop the threat...then my bet is the Sheriff is done also.

[_Jersey Girl]

Watch this CNN video as you have time and interest. Watch the Sheriff dodge the question posed to him about the prior 39 calls to LE.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4AtOU0dDXv8

[_Some Schmo]

I liked this opinion on the topic at hand:

Who's the real 'coward' of the Florida school shooting?

The article seems to echo some of the sentiment expressed in this thread. I don't think we should be too hard on this guy either.

[_Doctor CamNC4Me]

While I have empathy for Peterson, the fact of the matter is he's a coward. His literal job is to protect the public from those who would do it harm, and he sat there frozen. That is cowardice.

But, in my opinion, the real cowards are those who keep us all armed to the teeth because they believe, against all odds, that they'll be the ones who have to fend off a home invasion or worse, the government will try to round them up and send them off to whatever sick fantasy they've built up in their minds. They live in fear, cowards, clutching their guns, viewing everyone with suspicion to the point of arming themselves.

That's cowardice. That's a lack of balls. To live your life thinking, at odds greater than that of winning the lottery, that you're going to need to discharge your weapon in defense of your life.

And we're all paying the price for it. Cowards.

- Doc

[_Markk]

Again, how many times in your life have you faced an armed assailant? You act like you have so much experience successfully killing armed humans. I've only been faced with a gun once, and that was in Brazil. I absolutely froze up. In fact, it was so surreal that I felt like something in my body chemistry just flipped a switch and I became perfectly numb. When he fired the shot I thought for sure I was hit because of the short range. I wasn't armed, I was sitting on a couch and just went limp. For months, I replayed the scenario in my head probably a million times, telling myself how I could have lunged at the shooter (who was standing just 3 feet away) and easily disarmed him. But that would require me knowing he was about to burst into the office as he did. The element of surprise is typically all one needs to win these situations, and the shooters are always going to have that advantage.

An armed guard at school is just one person walking around a huge facility. It will only mean he's likely the first one to die or the shooting plan will be designed to attack when he's on the other side of the building. Or if he is in view he can be taken out with a rifle from 100 ft away by a shooter sitting in his car. Or the shooter can just walk right up to the school firing away like an insane person and the guard is likely to freak out because of the element of surprise. Either way there is just no evidence armed guards or teachers prevent mass shootings. Because most of these people expect to die in the process anyway.

I had a pistol pointed in my face and then knocked out by it. Also, grew up in San Bernardino, and have been attacked with a tire iron and a huge crescent wrench. I was also jumped by a street gang in jr high, the Jr. Tokens, and kicked to the ground and stabbed with a Bic pen in the side.

But none of that really matters does it?

Remember when Obama signed a executive order for more armed security in schools, why wasn't it a huge deal then?

Our country is so polarized that it is impossible to be objective about much.

[_Doctor CamNC4Me]

I had a pistol pointed in my face and then knocked out by it. Also, grew up in San Bernardino, and have been attacked with a tire iron and a huge crescent wrench. I was also jumped by a street gang in jr high, the Jr. Tokens, and kicked to the ground and stabbed with a Bic pen in the side.

Can you explain what you think would've happened had you been armed in scenario 1, 2, and 3 respectively? This is interesting.

- Doc

[_Kishkumen]

Can you explain what you think would've happened had you been armed in scenario 1, 2, and 3 respectively? This is interesting.

- Doc

He’d shoot himself in the leg and end up in a wheelchair for life.

[_Jersey Girl]

While I have empathy for Peterson, the fact of the matter is he's a coward. His literal job is to protect the public from those who would do it harm, and he sat there frozen. That is cowardice.

But, in my opinion, the real cowards are those who keep us all armed to the teeth because they believe, against all odds, that they'll be the ones who have to fend off a home invasion or worse, the government will try to round them up and send them off to whatever sick fantasy they've built up in their minds. They live in fear, cowards, clutching their guns, viewing everyone with suspicion to the point of arming themselves.

That's cowardice. That's a lack of balls. To live your life thinking, at odds greater than that of winning the lottery, that you're going to need to discharge your weapon in defense of your life.

And we're all paying the price for it. Cowards.

- Doc

Stop right there and let's talk about this. Why are you of all people not questioning what you see this Sheriff putting out on the wire? You're smart as a [deleted] whip, Cam, come on. This whole thing stinks from the head.

1. The Sheriff comes out in press conference and throws this SRO under the bus and not only that, he names him---effectively puts a bullseye on the guy's head.

2. He is quoted as saying that the SRO was on his radio and positioned himself outside the bldg so he could see the West exit. See anything missing from that so-called report? How about what the SRO was doing on his radio? What was he reporting? Did he receive any direction and if so, what were those directions?

3. Days later, we find out here were 3 more deputies positioned outside the bldg. Why didn't the Sheriff tell us that to start with? Did the Sheriff know at the first press conf. that there were 3 others on the scene? Has he told the public anything about them at all? Has he named them, told us why they were there? Did the SRO call for them and if so, what were they to do once they arrived? Who positioned those other 3? Were they supposed to wait for back up and proceed from outside the bldg. as was done in Columbine?

4. Sheriff goes on the televised town meeting with the victims and the NRA Dana whatshername lady. Sheriff knows the victims are directing their crap at NRA Dana. As soon as NRA Dana calls into question the 39 [deleted] calls the Sheriff got on the kid, he takes the ball and runs with it as far away as he can to divert attention from the question and rallies the crowd. The Sheriff NEVER ANSWERS THE QUESTION.

I'm telling you, some CYA [deleted] is going on with this Sheriff, Cam. It looks to me like he totally used the SRO as a diversion and if that's not the case, then why did this Sheriff make a statement regarding the one SRO when he didn't have all the facts at hand?

Tell me that you don't see the Sheriff screwing up left and right there. Do you see him with all the facts in hand delivering them to the public? No, you don't. He's either covering his ass or he's incompetent with regard to investigation or he doesn't give a [deleted] that he's giving the public a half assed reporting of the event. And then, THEN, he tells the public that we'll probably never hear the radio transmissions?

Wake up! There's too much that we don't know. We do know one thing, the SRO whether he deserves it or not, is walking around with a giant bullseye on his forehead right now. And the other 3 deputies? Hey they're walking around free as a bird right now their identity totally concealed from the public...at least it was last I heard.

[_EAllusion]

The basic argument why putting more armed police in schools isn't the best response to this mass shooting:

After Columbine over 10,000 school police officers were hired just in case a school shooting happened. Two decades later, they haven't stopped a *single* school shooting. Instead they've arrested over 1 million kids, mostly students of color, for routine behavior violations.

70,000 students were arrested at school during the 2013-14 school year alone. Two-thirds were students of color. Not one case where a school police officer intervened and stopped a school shooting

A study of Delaware school arrests found 75% were for disorderly behavior or fighting (without weapons). This would’ve likely resulted in detention or suspension before. Now kids are arrested, sometimes incarcerated, and stigmatized with a criminal record.

Black students are more likely to have police in their schools, 3x more likely to be arrested at school and more likely to be arrested for the most minor offenses. No evidence schools are any safer. The only thing more police in schools is proven to do is criminalize more kids.