Why the AR-15 is DIFFERENT

[_Kevin Graham]

So just charge responsible gun owners?

Don't you think it is setting the bar pretty low when a gun owner is considered "responsible" simply because he hasn't murdered anyone, yet?

Don't for a second assume all gun owners who haven't killed or have committed any crimes are "responsible" gun owners. I worked with many gun owners at my previous job and they were far from responsible.

[_Doctor CamNC4Me]

No. And then the bad guy gets charged. That's kind of how it works, you know, like what's happening right now.

- Doc

So just charge responsible gun owners?

C'mon, man. Don't make me insult you. I wrote what I wrote, and now you're saying something retarded.

- Doc

[_Morley]

The title to the thread says it all.

That is an untrue statement.

It’s clear to me that AR-15 or other high-velocity weapons, especially when outfitted with a high-capacity magazine, have no place in a civilian’s gun cabinet.

QED.

See what I wrote in my op to the thread...it is the rounds, not so much the weapons...AR's come in "low velocity" rounds also. I also stated that there are plenty of lower velocity rounds, that can do just as much or more damage. The AR-15 argument is a straw-man argument in all reality.

Cool. If you come across a debate in which the AR-15 is the sole focus, you're all set.

This.

[_DrW]

Markk,

So, let me get this straight. You claimed that the mini-14 was not an assault rifle (and would therefore presumably not come under an assault rifle ban). You claimed that it was an example of a weapon that could fire as a semi automatic just like an AR-15 but was not being discussed in the context of an assault rifle ban.

Then you admit that it was originally designed as a military weapon, can be fitted with a bump stock, and has been used in mass shootings. Why then, would it not come under an assault rifle ban?

Because it is not on the list of assault rifles, it was protected in the 94 federal ban. I can buy one here in Ca, just like the one that killed 77 in a mass shooting, but I can not buy an AR-15.

I will also say "assault weapon" is not really a good term...a semi auto is a semi auto and fires as fast as one pulls the trigger. The gun control people in charge are either ignorant or really don't care.

If a new "assault weapon" ban were imposed, one would assume that a more reasonable definition of assault weapon would be used than in 1994. And there is no reason to assume that such would not be the case.

[_Jersey Girl]

Markkkkk which gun would you be in favor of banning in the US that might contribute to a reduction in mass shootings?

Name one.

Neither...I am stating that the OP's argument is fruitless. There are millions of these types of weapons, and it is rare that mass shootings happen...it is a cliché...but responsible people don't murder people.

You said you were not against a total ban of guns, so asking you the same loaded question...what weapons are you in favor in banning to reduce mass shootings, and gun violence in general, after all more people die in "regular" shootings than in mass shootings...far more.

Why are you even asking me that question? I listed my proposal TWICE already.

[_RockSlider]

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[_Kevin Graham]

I think if the solution is to be banning, then a total banning of all guns is the only thing that would work.

Will never happen, so I don't even see the point of arguing for it.

Telling people to turn in their guns at 100% loss is going to generate a lot of new criminals.

If certain guns are banned, those who have them will probably be grandfathered in. You keep envisioning this confiscation process that I've never heard anyone seriously talk about except gun fanatics who dream up these scenarios. Think of "Obama's coming for your guns" that we heard for years and nothing even close to that ever happened. The talk has always been about prohibiting further sales of said weapons.

[_DrW]

This time may be different. Article in the New York Times regarding AR-14 vs M-16 and M-4.
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/02/28/us/ar-15-rifle-mass-shootings.html?hp=undefined&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=story-heading&module=b-lede-package-region&region=top-news&WT.nav=top-news&auth=login-email

[_honorentheos]

So far it looks like congress isn't doing much differently at the federal level, and still trying to push expansion of concealed-carry permit recognition across state lines. But it's nice to see the conversation atleast crossing party lines...finally.

Representative Brian Mast of Florida, a Republican and an Army combat veteran, has called for a ban on the sale of AR-15-style rifles.

“The exact definition of assault weapon will need to be determined,” Mr. Mast said. “But we should all be able to agree that the civilian version of the very deadly weapon that the Army issued to me should certainly qualify.”

Joe Plenzler, a 20-year combat veteran of the Marine Corps, is part of a social media movement of military veterans, including those who served in Afghanistan and Iraq, calling for reforms on the sale or possession of modern military-style firearms.

“They are the Formula One cars of guns, designed to kill as many people as quickly and efficiently as possible,” Mr. Plenzler said, referring to AR-15-style rifles. “We are seeing battlefield-level casualties because we are allowing those weapons on our street,” he said.

[_Paracelsus]

School officials in a rural area in the Pocono Mountains, in northeastern Pennsylvania, reportedly told elementary school parents that their children will be relocated for the day Wednesday to accommodate a nearby church (my highlight...) planning a special wedding-like ceremony involving AR-15 semiautomatic rifles — similar to the weapons used in a Florida high school massacre exactly two weeks earlier.

( https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/act ... 22823c9445 )

The World Peace and Unification Sanctuary, also known as the Sanctuary Church...

--- IMHO, that "church" has 325 million members
--- any brain dead group can call itself a church ***


I make a motion to insert an AR-15 in the middle of the Stars and Stripes, like an assault rifle in the Flag of Mozambique;

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The Wednesday ceremony will follow a “President Trump Thank You Dinner” the church organized Saturday night in nearby Matamoras.

This speaks for oneself.