LA Homelessness Data (it's not drugs)

[_Gadianton]

The salvation Army site, who do as much for the homless and mentally ill on the streets as any group...simply states why people become homeless, as i did in th beginning of this thread...you want to ignore these factors, and blame it solely on rent...which is missing the mark.

There may be a certain *at risk* profile for homelessness that the boilerplate you cite from Salvation Army and related sites capture; a profile that includes high rates of substance abuse and mental illness, but there can be unique circumstances that buck the trend. For instance, if there's a hurricane, and suddenly a swath of residents caught in the storm are homeless, are you going to say I'm blaming the hurricane and ignoring drugs? The fast rising housing costs in LA and Seattle recently are somewhat like that hurricane.

If 26% of homeless people are veterans, and 76% are addicts/alcoholics and mentally ill...how does that fit into the HUD study?

I think you misunderstand the link you provided. Try to understand what's being said, don't just look for what you want to see -- as Screech has been saying.

Of these of national veterans who are homeless, according to the Veterans Administration, we know...76% experience alcohol, drug or mental health problems

of the VETERANS -- NATIONALLY -- DURING OR PRIOR TO 2015 -- 76% have those problems. NOT the general homeless population. We will come back to the general population, but now consider that this very high statistic for veterans tells us something interesting. Are veterans lazy, pot-smoking party culture guys with no responsibility? Is the real problem with veterans the big gateway drug called Marijuana that leads to hard drugs like Heroin and then brain damage and so that's why they become mentally disabled? There is some good information on your links that should challenge your views on life from many different angles.

But lets get back to the percentage of the homeless on drugs. Your new site says:

Many factors can contribute to a person becoming homeless.....26% are addicted to other substances

If I do the math from the Los Angeles Homeless Services Authority that I cited in my last link, it shows that 25% have "substance abuse" issues (in 2015). (it's unclear whether this counts alcohol too -- your new article breaks it out). But hold on -- your new article is quoting national averages, not a specific survey of downtown LA. Most importantly, this new article WAS WRITTEN IN 2015. Recall, the big jump in homelessness that's really blowing minds is 2016-2017. It's in 2017 that the "substance abuse" statistic drops from 25% to 16%. What does that tell you Mark? It's telling you that something atypical is going on in LA right now. If it were a hurricane, that would explain why the post-hurricane statistics would see the typical *at risk* profile characteristics diluted. In this case, it's not a hurricane, but dramatically rising rents.

[_Markk]

The salvation Army site, who do as much for the homless and mentally ill on the streets as any group...simply states why people become homeless, as i did in th beginning of this thread...you want to ignore these factors, and blame it solely on rent...which is missing the mark.

There may be a certain *at risk* profile for homelessness that the boilerplate you cite from Salvation Army and related sites capture; a profile that includes high rates of substance abuse and mental illness, but there can be unique circumstances that buck the trend. For instance, if there's a hurricane, and suddenly a swath of residents caught in the storm are homeless, are you going to say I'm blaming the hurricane and ignoring drugs? The fast rising housing costs in LA and Seattle recently are somewhat like that hurricane.

If 26% of homeless people are veterans, and 76% are addicts/alcoholics and mentally ill...how does that fit into the HUD study?

I think you misunderstand the link you provided. Try to understand what's being said, don't just look for what you want to see -- as Screech has been saying.

Of these of national veterans who are homeless, according to the Veterans Administration, we know...76% experience alcohol, drug or mental health problems

of the VETERANS -- NATIONALLY -- DURING OR PRIOR TO 2015 -- 76% have those problems. NOT the general homeless population. We will come back to the general population, but now consider that this very high statistic for veterans tells us something interesting. Are veterans lazy, pot-smoking party culture guys with no responsibility? Is the real problem with veterans the big gateway drug called Marijuana that leads to hard drugs like Heroin and then brain damage and so that's why they become mentally disabled? There is some good information on your links that should challenge your views on life from many different angles.

But lets get back to the percentage of the homeless on drugs. Your new site says:

Many factors can contribute to a person becoming homeless.....26% are addicted to other substances

If I do the math from the Los Angeles Homeless Services Authority that I cited in my last link, it shows that 25% have "substance abuse" issues (in 2015). (it's unclear whether this counts alcohol too -- your new article breaks it out). But hold on -- your new article is quoting national averages, not a specific survey of downtown LA. Most importantly, this new article WAS WRITTEN IN 2015. Recall, the big jump in homelessness that's really blowing minds is 2016-2017. It's in 2017 that the "substance abuse" statistic drops from 25% to 16%. What does that tell you Mark? It's telling you that something atypical is going on in LA right now. If it were a hurricane, that would explain why the post-hurricane statistics would see the typical *at risk* profile characteristics diluted. In this case, it's not a hurricane, but dramatically rising rents.

I am not sure where you live...but if you can come down for a weekend and experience the issue.

The HUD timbers do not even remotely reflect the issue and play with numbers and my guess is so they can get more monies for housing. But what ever the reason it is not even close. and if you think alcohol abuse in LA is less that the National average...come take a walk with me.

The jump is ongoing and started 6 years ago and is 75% in those six years and include 2015. You are just ignoring the issue.

I hope Screech takes me up on my challenge..it if folks like him that are the problem...they treat a imagined problem (rent only) and ignore the highest majority of people that really need help.

You act as if I hate these people and don't feel for them, when I am the one that actually has worked with them and understand who the majority of these folks are.

Mlarky

[_schreech]

I hope Screech takes me up on my challenge..it if folks like him that are the problem...they treat a imagined problem (rent only) and ignore the highest majority of people that really need help.

You act as if I hate these people and don't feel for them, when I am the one that actually has worked with them and understand who the majority of these folks are.

You know how I know you don't read anything anyone posts. I actually said this in the other thread.

"Yea, the homeless around la and oc are homeless for all kinds of reasons."

Maybe you just don't understand what you read which is why you seem so impervious to information that conflicts with what you have chosen to believe....YUCAIPA!??!? lol. I get that your mind isn't going to change even when people who know what they are talking about present information that conflicts with your chosen set of baseless beliefs, but, hey, its fun picking your posts apart, so....

I love when people who don't even live near me tell me how horrible its becoming. You have never even lived in LA or OC and you literally picked an area that has historically been called "skid row" (since like the great depression) as your example of how horrible LA is becoming. I even showed you how its shrinking due to growth and revitalization but, hey, don't let that stop you from putting your ignorance and bigotry on display. You are are clueless.

I have driven through Yucaipa several times, its nothing but a bunch of meth heads and white trash bigots who can afford to live in a nicer place....that's my experience so it must be true...Yucaipa, lol, someone from the IE trying to tell me how crappy the OC has become...

[_Markk]

I hope Screech takes me up on my challenge..it if folks like him that are the problem...they treat a imagined problem (rent only) and ignore the highest majority of people that really need help.

You act as if I hate these people and don't feel for them, when I am the one that actually has worked with them and understand who the majority of these folks are.

You know how I know you don't read anything anyone posts. I actually said this in the other thread.

"Yea, the homeless around la and oc are homeless for all kinds of reasons."

Maybe you just don't understand what you read which is why you seem so impervious to information that conflicts with what you have chosen to believe....YUCAIPA!??!? lol. I get that your mind isn't going to change even when people who know what they are talking about present information that conflicts with your chosen set of baseless beliefs, but, hey, its fun picking your posts apart, so....

I love when people who don't even live near me tell me how horrible its becoming. You have never even lived in LA or OC and you literally picked an area that has historically been called "skid row" (since like the great depression) as your example of how horrible LA is becoming. I even showed you how its shrinking due to growth and revitalization but, hey, don't let that stop you from putting your ignorance and bigotry on display. You are are clueless.

I have driven through Yucaipa several times, its nothing but a bunch of meth heads and white trash bigots who can afford to live in a nicer place....that's my experience so it must be true...Yucaipa, lol, someone from the IE trying to tell me how crappy the OC has become...

Where did I say that OC has become crappy? And you say I don’t read. There are crappy places everywhere...including some places in OC...like Santa Ana.

I love OC and South OC is awesome.

Where do you live?

[_schreech]

Where did I say that OC has become crappy? And you say I don’t read. There are crappy places everywhere...including some places in OC...like Santa Ana.

I love OC and South OC is awesome.

Where do you live?

Um, you said socal is in decline and, in many different straw grasping ways, have tried to explain how its becoming worse and worse due to homelessness, drugs, immigrants, your ability to walk barefoot in front of ruby's, etc.. Hey, even ajax our residing white supremacist jumped in to agree with you and support you with his opinions of how socal is slowly turning into mexico. In all this, you specifically sited 3 places as your examples of how horrible socal has become - 1 in LA, the other 2 in OC. You even used the orange circle as one of the places that is an example of what is wrong with socal. I can only assume that if that is your example of the decline of socal, then you must not have very high opinions of the rest of the OC. I guess when you say sweeping things like:

"The pic's on your google search look like a Holiday Inn compared to the streets of So CA."

"It is growing out of control and is not just downtown, it is most everywhere in So CA. You would be surprised. "

"The video really does not show the reality of it. There are pockets like this all over SoCa. From LA to San Diego. Freeway off ramps, under passes, the LA river banks, Santa Ana River banks. It is impossible to enjoy a park in far too many communities. "

"You have no idea how bad it is. You have no idea what So CA is turning into. Your asking why we do not get resumes and references from illegal immigrants sealed that deal for me."

(emphasis mine)

...I assumed you included Orange County in "So CA". Apparently, you only meant the area in LA known as skid row and one encampment in Anaheim (which you know almost nothing about) when you were trying to prove how bad its becoming in "SO CA". Oh, and what is your deal with santa ana? too many immigrants for your taste?

Close to the beach, south of LA.

[_Res Ipsa]

Wasn’t the exact comparison “Escape from LA?”

[_schreech]

Wasn’t the exact comparison “Escape from LA?”

Oh yea, that too. With la and oc blending somewhat seamlessly how could I ever have misunderstood that he “loves” oc.

[_Res Ipsa]

So, here’s a piece from 2001 that describes skid row. Note that LA decided in 1976 on a policy of deliberately containing the homeless to the area known as skid row. Note how the descriptions and statistics, as well as the stereotypes match Mark’s comments. You can even see the beginnng of the gentrification that eventually replaced low-cost housing with upscale new buildings. But all this existed before the recent dramatic rise in the homeless population caused mainly by spiking housing prices. It would be no surprise at all to find that the composition of the homeless today is quite different from that in earlier years.

Markk, exactly when was it that you ministered to the homeless?

[_Gadianton]

The HUD timbers do not even remotely reflect the issue and play with numbers and my guess is so they can get more monies for housing. But what ever the reason it is not even close.

I have no idea what goes on in that head of yours, but what are "HUD timbers?" YOUR article cited stats from other agencies that deal directly with the homeless. The numbers I provided have nothing to do with HUD. You've backed down on every single source you've cited so far because you misread the source. Let me put it this way: No article you will ever find will agree with you; if you think it does, you've misunderstood it.

The jump is ongoing and started 6 years ago and is 75% in those six years and include 2015. You are just ignoring the issue.

If I feel like it, I'll pick apart your 75% number later on, which so far is the only number you haven't backed down from. That number also doesn't mean what you think it does.

You act as if I hate these people and don't feel for them, when I am the one that actually has worked with them and understand who the majority of these folks are.

I could go back and quote you just like Screech has to show you've said a hell of a lot of things that indicate despise for homeless people, independent of whether or not you have tried to help them. But my criticism has nothing to do with how you feel about the homeless, but your entirely illogical, contradictory, and confused arguments about homelessness in LA.

I didn't share my favorite part of that last article you cited:

Most people are homeless for two months (In fact, two-thirds are off the streets in two months.) (National Symposium on Homelessness Research)

[_Markk]

Um, you said socal is in decline and, in many different straw grasping ways, have tried to explain how its becoming worse and worse due to homelessness, drugs, immigrants, your ability to walk barefoot in front of ruby's, etc.. Hey, even ajax our residing white supremacist jumped in to agree with you and support you with his opinions of how socal is slowly turning into mexico. In all this, you specifically sited 3 places as your examples of how horrible socal has become - 1 in LA, the other 2 in OC. You even used the orange circle as one of the places that is an example of what is wrong with socal. I can only assume that if that is your example of the decline of socal, then you must not have very high opinions of the rest of the OC. I guess when you say sweeping things like:

"The pic's on your google search look like a Holiday Inn compared to the streets of So CA."

"It is growing out of control and is not just downtown, it is most everywhere in So CA. You would be surprised. "

"The video really does not show the reality of it. There are pockets like this all over SoCa. From LA to San Diego. Freeway off ramps, under passes, the LA river banks, Santa Ana River banks. It is impossible to enjoy a park in far too many communities. "

"You have no idea how bad it is. You have no idea what So CA is turning into. Your asking why we do not get resumes and references from illegal immigrants sealed that deal for me."

(emphasis mine)

...I assumed you included Orange County in "So CA". Apparently, you only meant the area in LA known as skid row and one encampment in Anaheim (which you know almost nothing about) when you were trying to prove how bad its becoming in "SO CA". Oh, and what is your deal with santa ana? too many immigrants for your taste?

Close to the beach, south of LA.

Where do you live? In LA county or OC...why can't you tell me where you live? I am not going to google "Screech Seal Beach" and hunt you down.

You are painting a picture of the 57 camps of a utopia of homeless people as a co opt...when in fact they are for the very most part, dysfunctional people. They removes thousand of needles and hundred of pound of poop.
https://www.ocregister.com/2018/03/08/t ... campments/



Your all over the place...with no substance and just a rant taking what I have written out of context. If you read my posts you would know I have said it is everywhere...all over So Cal...I mentioned San Diego also with the Hepatitis A problems. Encampments are in most our cites here, unless they are continually kicked out and on the Run...like say a Lake Forrest.

I stated there are homeless in that park at the orange park next to Ruby's, that is the truth...and they shoot drugs, I picked up their needle when they were in the alley before I fenced them out..that is just the truth.

Why do you keep bringing up race...you called me, or implied, a racist name, and bring up Santa Ana in a racist tone...why?

Lets meet and take a walk through the LA skid row...we can see the bikes shops and food stands, and see if they stand up to what you wrote? Or we can find a smaller camp if you like, it won't take long.

And it is growing...it is everywhere. we never saw this growing up in so cal, even 10- 15 years ago.

I had a pre construction meeting today for a new project starting in Anaheim...nice enough neighborhood...it is the first wooden house built in Anaheim.

We were told in the meeting that we had to give the homeless guy time to leave before we fenced him out.... and that our fences and equipment WILL get tagged with graffiti, and that we will have to remove it at our own costs as it occurs. They also made it clear that they are not responsible of any theft or vandalism.

Not saying that is good or bad here...but that it is what we were told today at our meeting. This is another example of what I mean by everywhere.

So Ca is in decline, are you saying it is not?

Look at this link in regards to death by OD in Ca Counties...per 100k

Los Angeles 2,282
San Diego 1,266
Orange 1,111
Riverside 981
San Bernardino 351

http://www.countyhealthrankings.org/app ... ?sort=sc-0

But you are correct, meth is bad in SB county...but Yucaipa is not as bad as other places...but it to is getting worse. But as you can see, at least from OD's, orange is three time worse that SB county.

by the way Huntington beach is the city in OC for OD's.

Again, where do you live?