MTC President Sexually Assaulted Sister Missionaries

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Updated statement:

https://www.mormonnewsroom.org/article/ ... march-2018

March 23, 2018
We share the anger and distress Church members and others feel to learn of incidents where those entrusted with sacred responsibilities violate God’s commandments and harm others. Such behavior is repulsive and sinful. The Church is looking into all aspects of the assertions on the recording of Joseph Bishop. This includes the work of outside legal counsel, who are interviewing priesthood leaders, family members, law enforcement officials and others with knowledge of these incidents.

We are aware of one other woman (who is referenced in the December recording) who informed her local ecclesiastical leaders that she was sexually abused by Joseph Bishop while he served as president of the Missionary Training Center. When she reported the alleged abuse to her local Church leaders in 2010, they provided emotional support as well as professional counseling services. Mr. Bishop’s local ecclesiastical leaders were contacted and they confronted him with her claims, which he denied, and local leaders did not feel they could pursue church discipline for Mr. Bishop.

On Wednesday, the Church, along with media outlets, received the unredacted police report from BYU Police, which included an admission of inappropriate sexual conduct. We are committed to bringing accountability for what has occurred.

Sexual abuse cannot be tolerated in the Church. We continue to urge our leaders to take reports of abuse very seriously. Leaders should call the Church's abuse helpline, which has been established to assure that victims are cared for and that abuse reporting laws are strictly obeyed.
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How about, you know, encouraging any other victims to speak up?
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Supposedly the Church completely changed the term limits for MTC Presidents and their responsibilities following Joseph L. Bishop's reign there:

"Because of the intensity of responsibilities carried by MTC presidents, their term of service was shortened in 1986 to two years. The Missionary Department worried that if each new leader altered training methods and business procedures, the stability of the whole organization would be challenged. To ensure continuity and stability, ecclesiastical and professional aspects of the MTC were separated. The MTC president was in charge only of ecclesiastical matters but still worked closely with permanent staff administrators over professional areas such as training or business." Richard O. Cowan, "'Called to Serve': A History of Missionary Training," in Go Ye into All the World: The Growth & Development of Mormon Missionary Work

I guess the intensity of raping sister missionaries in the basement must have really taken its toll. It sounds like there could have been warning signs at the time that Bishop was unstable. Could the Church have decided to give future MTC Presidents less control and responsibilities after Bishop because he caused so many issues during his tenure?
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Tom wrote:Updated statement:

https://www.mormonnewsroom.org/article/ ... march-2018

March 23, 2018
We share the anger and distress Church members and others feel to learn of incidents where those entrusted with sacred responsibilities violate God’s commandments and harm others. Such behavior is repulsive and sinful. The Church is looking into all aspects of the assertions on the recording of Joseph Bishop. This includes the work of outside legal counsel, who are interviewing priesthood leaders, family members, law enforcement officials and others with knowledge of these incidents.

We are aware of one other woman (who is referenced in the December recording) who informed her local ecclesiastical leaders that she was sexually abused by Joseph Bishop while he served as president of the Missionary Training Center. When she reported the alleged abuse to her local Church leaders in 2010, they provided emotional support as well as professional counseling services. Mr. Bishop’s local ecclesiastical leaders were contacted and they confronted him with her claims, which he denied, and local leaders did not feel they could pursue church discipline for Mr. Bishop.

On Wednesday, the Church, along with media outlets, received the unredacted police report from BYU Police, which included an admission of inappropriate sexual conduct. We are committed to bringing accountability for what has occurred.

Sexual abuse cannot be tolerated in the Church. We continue to urge our leaders to take reports of abuse very seriously. Leaders should call the Church's abuse helpline, which has been established to assure that victims are cared for and that abuse reporting laws are strictly obeyed.


So the Mormon Church knew that there were other victims as far back as 2010 and still decided to a) not take any disciplinary action against Bishop b) continue selling his books c) issue multiple statements attempting to contradict or undermine the woman's account and those of others like the MTC worker who knew about the bed in the basement. What a disgrace this Church is.

And this is a Church that supposedly wants more girls to serve missions? Those missionaries are completely isolated, cut off from support and the outside world. A parent would have to be insane to trust that organization and pay them to send their girl into that environment with the way they have acted. If your daughter is abused on her mission just know that the Church will attack her publicly with tithing money that you paid them. If it doesn't go public they will brush it under the carpet while continuing to put an abusive person in positions to abuse again and again.

I doubt we will hear from any of the other victims. If they are believing members and they do come forward they will likely go to their Bishops who will give them what advice exactly? Probably the same advice that Bishop gave to this woman to pray keep quiet and obey. Anyone they think could go public they will likely pay on condition of signing an NDA like they were attempting to with this woman.

I know one thing for sure. Their "investigation" with the help of "outside legal counsel" has nothing to do with finding the truth and everything to do with burying it.
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candygal wrote:This man was promoted and/or assigned all over the place after several reports of misconduct...does God have morals?

Well God’s one true church certainly seems to think that morality is rather flexible at certain levels of prestige, and that it is perfectly fine to hide behind as many of man’s laws as possible.
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Just when you think the Church can't possibly make itself look worse...

https://www.mormonnewsroom.org/article/ ... march-2018

March 23, 2018
We share the anger and distress Church members and others feel to learn of incidents where those entrusted with sacred responsibilities violate God’s commandments and harm others.
Church members are angry and distressed because you've known about a Mission Presidents rape den in the basement of the MTC for 31 years and you did nothing about it. That knowledge was confirmed multiple times and you did, nothing. It was most recently corroborated in December 2017 by the perpetrator himself and your first thought was cover-up. Then, when it was made public, the first response you gave was "If the allegations are true..." once again attempting t throw the victim under the bus, when you knew damn well Bishop had confessed. You also knew at the point you issued that statement that there was a second confirmed victim.
Such behavior is repulsive and sinful.
Yes, the Church's behaviour is sinful and repulsive. The attempt to cast doubt on the victim when you had the confession of the perpetrator in front of you, is so shameful that the Apostle and General Authority responsible for signing it off should be excommunicated.
The Church is looking into all aspects of the assertions on the recording of Joseph Bishop. This includes the work of outside legal counsel, who are interviewing priesthood leaders, family members, law enforcement officials and others with knowledge of these incidents.
Too little, too late. Are you searching all MTC's? Are you stopping the Priesthood one-to-one interviews of minors and women? No. What did you do in December when you knew he was guilty....tried to cover it up. The only thing you’re looking into now, is how to limit the damage and distance the current General Authorities from it.

We are aware of one other woman (who is referenced in the December recording) who informed her local ecclesiastical leaders that she was sexually abused by Joseph Bishop while he served as president of the Missionary Training Center. When she reported the alleged abuse to her local Church leaders in 2010, they provided emotional support as well as professional counseling services. Mr. Bishop’s local ecclesiastical leaders were contacted and they confronted him with her claims, which he denied, and local leaders did not feel they could pursue church discipline for Mr. Bishop.
What did senior Church leaders feel about that?

On Wednesday, the Church, along with media outlets, received the unredacted police report from BYU Police, which included an admission of inappropriate sexual conduct. We are committed to bringing accountability for what has occurred.
You're still lying. You knew about it in December. You were trying to settle the case quietly so it didn't hit the press. You've know Joseph L Bishop had a rape den in the basement of your MTC for 31 years and only when it hits the press now are you suddenly interested in investigating it fully and bringing the perpetrator to justice.

Sexual abuse cannot be tolerated in the Church.
Not only is it tolerated, as has been demonstrated with Bishop, you facilitate it with your prioritising of PR over member safety. You refuse to end the practice of unrelated male adults interviewing minors and women alone and in private, where they ask them intrusive personal questions of a sexual nature. The only think you are committed to is spending millions of dollars covering up and protecting the perpetrating man at the expense of the girl/woman. One only need look at this case and how you're handling it to see the institution has learned nothing from the BYU blame-the-rape-victim scandal.

And here, in the final paragraph, your true intention comes out once again.
We continue to urge our leaders to take reports of abuse very seriously. Leaders should call the Church's abuse helpline, which has been established to assure that victims are cared for and that abuse reporting laws are strictly obeyed.
What about encouraging any other victims of any Church Leader to call an abuse helpline? Why aren't you doing that? What qualifications and training do local leaders have to equip them for this type of thing? What does a victim do when the local leader IS the perpetrator?

You are such an incompetent, disingenuous and morally bankrupt institution that it beggars belief that Jesus has anything to do with you.

Tell us how much you've spent over the last 20 years settling cases of sexual abuse perpatrated by Church Leaders.
Stop the one-one interviews.
Set up a system for victims to be able to bypass the local leadership, and publicise the system and encourage other victims to use it to come forward - that you haven't already taken this step shows your statements to be hollow and meaningless attempts at deflection and damage limitation. Rather than genuine remorse and commitment to change.

Where's the apology to the victims for letting them down?

31 years later, Joseph L Bishop, Mission President with a known rape den, is still a member in good standing.
How many more?

A member with any kind of a moral compass will be unable to vote to sustain this senior leadership in April. They have been protecting and facilitating sexual abusers for decades. And using donated money to do so. They have to go. If they had any moral compass themselves, the leaders involved in this at any point, including those involved right now, all 15 of them, would resign. They are and have presided over the facilitation of sexual abuse of its vulnerable members and protected the men who perpetrated it.

They have to go.
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We continue to urge our leaders to take reports of abuse very seriously. Leaders should call the Church's abuse helpline, which has been established to assure that victims are cared for and that abuse reporting laws are strictly obeyed.

https://www.mormonnewsroom.org/article/ ... march-2018

You continue to take reports seriously?

SALT LAKE CITY — (KUTV) - Leaders inside the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints were told on five different occasions by two different women of alleged inappropriate sexual conduct by Joseph Bishop, the former president of the Missionary Training Center.

Despite this, the church never took any official action against the now 85-year-old man who now lives in Chandler, Arizona.

http://kutv.com/news/local/lds-leaders- ... -president
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Consig,

I wanted to say that I was impressed by your analysis and how you've reviewed the evidence as more and more information has been released. Since you seem to have some legal expertize I wanted to float an idea past you.

You picked up, in thinking like a Defense attorney that there are understandable questions surrounding the accuser and her behavior. I completely support her and I do believe that she was raped after looking at all the corroborating evidence we have.

There are reports of questionable behavior that were being used by Joseph L Bishop's son to try to discredit her. If we take her at her word that she was abused by family long before the MTC then as Doctor Cam pointed out she was already a sexualized and vulnerable woman before she even got there. She even says that she feels he targeted her for that very reason.

The Church in their first statement made a point of saying that this girl briefly served a mission, meaning she was discharged rather quickly. They don't mention if it was a medical release for a physical or mental health problem or a dishonorable release, or if that distinction existed back in 1984. A lot of her bizarre behavior has been highlighted by the Church, their leaders and Bishop's family to try to discredit her. Given the abuse she describes over a number of years preceding her experience with Bishop I'm not surprised that she describes herself as a very damaged person. Her Singles Ward Bishop who she told in the 80s described her as "neurotic".

Here's the idea I wanted to run by you. Is it possible that the accuser could be/or have been at the time classified as a vulnerable person?

“Vulnerable adult” means an elder adult, or an adult 18 years of age or older who has a mental or physical impairment which substantially affects that person’s ability to: (i) provide personal protection; (iii) obtain services necessary for health, safety, or welfare; or (vi) comprehend the nature and consequences of remaining in a situation of abuse, neglect, or exploitation.


Given that childhood victims of abuse are much more likely to be revictimized and that could definitely have impaired her ability to protect herself, her ability to seek proper help and her ability to understand the dangers of being alone in the basement on the bed with Bishop.

Obviously Bishop could never be prosecuted for that since the statute of limitations has passed for him whether she was a vulnerable adult or not. What it does do though is raise some interesting questions around mandatory reporting rules and her Church leaders who she told about the abuse. There is no mandatory reporting rule for adults in Utah, but there is for vulnerable adults.

She told her Singles Ward Bishop Ron Leavitt in the 1980s. It was reported by him that she told him in 1984 the year it would have happened. If Leavitt had reported it then it could have been investigated then while he was still serving as MTC President. It's very possible other girls were abused due to that. Leavitt describes her as neurotic, that what she was saying was
groundless, farfetched and not internally logical. It sounds like he thought she was mentally unstable. If she left the Mission field early as an extremely damaged young woman I would expect there to have been communication happens between her Stake President, Bishop and Mission President, isn't that what would usually happen in that situation? I'd be interested to see her release paperwork. Could that have influenced how Leavitt saw her?

Here's how the reporting requirement was worded at the time,

76-5-111.1. Reporting requirements
(1) Any person, including but not limited to, a social worker, physician, psychologist, nurse, teacher, or employee of a private or public facility serving adults, who has reason to believe that any disabled or elder adult has been the subject of abuse, emotional or psychological abuse, neglect, or exploitation shall immediately notify the nearest peace officer, law enforcement agency, or local office of Adult Protective Services within the Department of Human Services, Division of Aging and Adult Services.


By disabled the statute means vulnerable person. The reporting requirement has been reworded since then, but retains the same meaning. If Leavitt thought that the accuser had mental health issues wouldn't her recounting that the MTC President had groomed and abused her at the MTC while under the Church's responsibility be enough to make reporting to the police mandatory? Failure to report was a class B misdemeanor at the time. And there is no statute of limitations on failing to report in those circumstances.

Even though the legislation had been reworded it retained the same meaning in 2010 when she spoke to another priesthood leader about it. Apparently he thought that she was so mentally unsound that he thought she was planning to shoot Bishop and reported that to the police which I think most people would see as an inability to seek the help and services she needed in an appropriate way if it wasn't a joke. Hawkins claimed the leader reported the sexual assault but the police record and comments from the Pleasant Grove Police all confirm that it was the death threat that was reported and it was the death threat that was investigated. I would like to see the police report from 2010 to see if it was even mentioned in passing by the leader to the police. If it wasn't and that leader really thought she was actually going to shoot someone then the same question applies, was that leader under an obligation to report the abuse?

I doubt that any charges are going to be pursued, but I definitely could see an argument for why they should be especially with the Bishop who she reported this to in the 80s. I'd be interested in your thoughts Consig.
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Anybody who raises their hands in sustainment next weekend is a hypocrite.


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https://www.sltrib.com/religion/local/2018/03/24/after-watching-missionary-training-center-sex-abuse-scandal-unfold-some-mormons-say-their-church-needs-a-culture-change/

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UPDATE

After watching Missionary Training Center sex abuse scandal unfold, some Mormons say their church needs a culture change
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