You don't need Jesus

[_Shulem]

You would have to establish that there actual was "a nomadic hebrew roaming the deserts of the middle east nearly 4000 years ago with thousands of egyptian ex-slaves" for this to be an issue. No evidence of the exodus has ever been found. So it is a MEH.

There is ancient documentation that there was a Moses. It's in various records. What's not in the records is the exodus as outlined in the Bible and the claims made about Moses performing great miracles. The ancient Egyptians have no record of it whatsoever. The Jew's religion is the cult of Jehovah regardless of how it was formed and established. The law of sacrifice and the death penalties of the Old Testament are an abomination.

[_Shulem]

I mean, why wouldn't we expect a nomadic hebrew roaming the deserts of the middle east nearly 4000 years ago with thousands of egyptian ex-slaves to respect the rights of the LGBTQ+ community, establish same sex marriage laws, and honor all sexual orientations and gender ideologies.

I would expect a nomadic Hebrew who roamed the deserts some 4,000 years ago to respect the basic rights of others and to not murder innocent people just because they have a different way of showing love. I would expect that of any descent and fair minded person no matter when they lived on this planet. But we see a religious tyrant imposing his hatred and personal prejudice by introducing capital punishment against gays and those who may elect to practice gay love. That is just evil! If you can't see that, JLHPROF, then I propose you are evil too and part of the original problem.

Moses was such tyrant and a religious despot that he even murdered people who worked on Jehovah's so-called holy day -- to include executing a man for picking up sticks on the sabbath.

Moses was a murderer and an evil man. He had a temper and no tolerance towards those who disagreed with his religion. His imaginary god (Jehovah) is the very image of all things evil. If you can't see that, JLHPROF, then you deserve whatever you get because Karma is a bitch.

[_Shulem]

It's just crazy that he didn't realize that and get woke. /sarcasm

What's crazy is you refuse to condemn a murderer and admit that what he did was just plain wrong. Why, because that would be a first step into a place you fear to go. You are a coward, JLHPROF.

[_Gadianton]

Shulem,

I was staying in a hotel recently and I opened a dresser drawer and guess what was there? A Bible. Should I have called the FBI? I definitely didn't touch it.

[_moksha]

I mean, why wouldn't we expect a nomadic hebrew roaming the deserts of the middle east nearly 4000 years ago with thousands of egyptian ex-slaves to respect the rights of the LGBTQ+ community, establish same sex marriage laws, and honor all sexual orientations and gender ideologies.

Perhaps his tolerance level was maxed out by turning a blind eye toward the sheep-lovers and falafel-eaters. Still applies to this very day.

[_Physics Guy]

Oo, those falafel eaters.

Seriously, though, I do seem to recall JLHPROF affirming, sometime last year on these boards, that he would definitely stone a helpless person to death if he felt that God had commanded it. My religion won't let me tolerate that as a legitimate religious viewpoint. I can accept that killing might be right under certain circumstances but a feeling that God has commanded it is not one of them.

[_Shulem]

Shulem,

I was staying in a hotel recently and I opened a dresser drawer and guess what was there? A Bible. Should I have called the FBI? I definitely didn't touch it.

Which brings up an interesting point. My point being is the Bible belongs in a museum where man can put it in proper perspective. The Bible is an ancient relic that everyone should be familiar with. Biblical atrocities performed in the name of Jehovah must always be remembered with a certain sacred reverence and such things must never be repeated again. Without a doubt Israel's imaginary god is one of history's most wicked characters -- pure evil.

[_Shulem]

Seriously, though, I do seem to recall JLHPROF affirming, sometime last year on these boards, that he would definitely stone a helpless person to death if he felt that God had commanded it. My religion won't let me tolerate that as a legitimate religious viewpoint. I can accept that killing might be right under certain circumstances but a feeling that God has commanded it is not one of them.

JLHPROF is not a good person. His heart is corrupt and his mind has been poisoned by the cult.

[_Shulem]

Question

Do you have to have imaginary Jesus in your heart and mind in order to love yourself and others? Isn't it so that countless good human beings love themselves and others without Jesus in their life?

YOU too can love all by yourself! You don't need Jesus to do that.

[_Gadianton]

Oo, those falafel eaters.

Seriously, though, I do seem to recall JLHPROF affirming, sometime last year on these boards, that he would definitely stone a helpless person to death if he felt that God had commanded it. My religion won't let me tolerate that as a legitimate religious viewpoint. I can accept that killing might be right under certain circumstances but a feeling that God has commanded it is not one of them.

While Nephi was merely "prompted" to kill Laban, I'd never heard of anyone saying you could get personal revelation to kill. However, the prophet is a different story. There is no standing moral dilemma that I'm aware of in the Church where we need to be ready one day to know when it is or isn't right to kill. However, as a point of instruction staking out the authority of the prophet, as a thought experiment, it is conventional wisdom that if the prophet were to command you to kill someone, then you should do it. But a prophets are fallible, right? Yes, they are, and as my Book of Mormon teacher at BYU taught us -- and he had a Phd in theology from Harvard no less and significantly more fun-loving and liberal than his peers such as Benson's son -- then you perform the killing anyway and you will be blessed for it.

My religion won't let me tolerate that as a legitimate religious viewpoint

And that is a very good thing, however, my only criticism would be that, it must be nice that you happened to be born into a broad tradition where the Bible is the only authority rather than the local minister vs. a church where the prophet and the Brethren of a worldwide corporation are the final authority. If your modern sensibilities tell you that your minister is way behind the times, you can just leave, go across the street and start up your own church and say that the other guy wasn't following the Bible. But that flexibility works both ways, and if we are to fairly compare bible-based Christianity to Mormonism, I think we need to count both hits and misses. I don't know how much Westboro baptist and others like it would bring down the average, but I think a fair comparison would need to take into account all denominations that bill themselves as bound by the Bible as final authority.