You don't need Jesus

[_Shulem]

Answer

Apparently the reason Christians and Mormons (Christian wannabes) have faith in an imaginary Jesus is because they want to live with Jesus in an imaginary hereafter. They place their faith in something they can now only imagine. Hence, Jesus and his kingdom are purely imaginary based entirely on faith. No?

[_Themis]

You would have to establish that there actual was "a nomadic hebrew roaming the deserts of the middle east nearly 4000 years ago with thousands of egyptian ex-slaves" for this to be an issue. No evidence of the exodus has ever been found. So it is a MEH.

There is ancient documentation that there was a Moses. It's in various records. What's not in the records is the exodus as outlined in the Bible and the claims made about Moses performing great miracles. The ancient Egyptians have no record of it whatsoever. The Jew's religion is the cult of Jehovah regardless of how it was formed and established. The law of sacrifice and the death penalties of the Old Testament are an abomination.

The scholarly consensus is Moses was not a historical figure.

[_Themis]

No, I won't. And I think your presentism is showing.

I mean, why wouldn't we expect a nomadic hebrew roaming the deserts of the middle east nearly 4000 years ago with thousands of egyptian ex-slaves to respect the rights of the LGBTQ+ community, establish same sex marriage laws, and honor all sexual orientations and gender ideologies.
He was clearly homophobic and should have had a world view much more in keeping with the one that has only emerged in the last 30 years of the world.
It's just crazy that he didn't realize that and get woke. /sarcasm

Good evidence God was not communicating with these people. Just like no amputees being healed is good evidence healing powers of God don't exist.

[_Physics Guy]

[I]t must be nice that you happened to be born into a broad tradition where the Bible is the only authority rather than the local minister vs. a church where the prophet and the Brethren of a worldwide corporation are the final authority. ... But that flexibility works both ways, and if we are to fairly compare bible-based Christianity to Mormonism, I think we need to count both hits and misses. I don't know how much Westboro baptist and others like it would bring down the average, but I think a fair comparison would need to take into account all denominations that bill themselves as bound by the Bible as final authority.

Do you think I have to count the Westboro Baptists as part of my average just because they claim to follow the Bible? If so I think you may still be seeing religion through Mormon lenses. Not all religious labels are brands. If one car dealer sells a bad model does that drag down the average of cars?

Depending on what you mean by "Bible-based Christian," I'm probably not one, anyway. The Bible has some profound things in it but the idea of any text being authoritative makes no sense to me.

[_Shulem]

The scholarly consensus is Moses was not a historical figure.

Certainly the miraculous Moses of the Bible is a mythical figure and the story about the Exodus is a lie.

It's much more plausible that Moses is really Osarseph (see Wikipedia)

[_Shulem]

The Bible has some profound things in it but the idea of any text being authoritative makes no sense to me.

I totally agree.

[_Jersey Girl]

Jersey Girl,

If you will confess with your mouth that you can forgive yourself for your own sake without the aid of an imaginary friend then I will gladly give you this rose as a token of my affection and good will towards your pursuit to freedom from religion.

Really. I think you should research Baalism in the Old Testament and get back to us before you start handing out offers of roses and outright calling folks murderers on this board.

But that's just me.

Knowledge is power.

[_Jersey Girl]

So back to "Bloody Jesus".

Where does he condemn homosexuality?
What did he say about the Law?

Man, the questions are piling up.

Oh yeah, do you need me to pick you up some make up or not? I'm out the door over here.

Jesus was just more of the problem. He did not condemn Moses and he did not condemn the murderous laws in place against homosexuals.

St. Paul even went so far as to say such were worthy of death. Just more of the same.

Oh, St. Paul. I'm glad you brought I'm up. A good idea would be for you to actually learn the scriptures (Old Testament/New Testament) so you can understand what is going on in them. So Paul, if I were you I'd look up Pagan fertility rites, temple prostitutes, and that sort of thing.

So you can know what you're talking about.

In any case, Paul isn't Jesus. Where did Jesus, I mean, "Bloody Jesus" condemn homosexuality?

Do you ever ask your self why you are not learning the cultural material in the Old Testament/New Testament so you can actually do something productive in terms of advocating for the LGBTQ community you know, in things like speaking out against the church's new policy regarding children of gays and basic religious based discrimination against the community based on a false and limited interpretation of scripture.

Sort of like I have.

No, instead your lazy and ignorant self sits on your butt hypocritically spewing irrelevant hate speech and making accusations of actual murder against your fellow human being--while preaching love no less.

Do you ever ask yourself why I advocate for a greater understanding of scripture and for gay LDS youth, and you do not?

[_Jersey Girl]

She's not done yet.

You were once a pretty top notch apologist. If you weren't so lazy you could take your research skills and knowledge of the LDS church (and it's doctrine) and turn it upside down, to advocate for LDS youth and their parents. So these kids wouldn't be in such pain with the head trip the church has laid on them and they won't go around self harming and worse yet, taking their own lives.

No, you would rather sit on your ass, condemning religion, accusing Christians and Mormons of being murders. You outright called JHLPROF a murderer on this thread and claimed that I myself condone murder of gays when the Jersey Girl has done the heavy lifting to equip myself to advocate for the LGBTQ community with religious folks, that you yourself are a part of.

I put your sorry ass to shame, buddy.

You could actually do a study of the development of religion, the Canaanite influence on the Hebrews, Molech, Baalism, and all of those things sacrificial practices and judgements included, bring it forward into the New Testament gathering up information on role and purpose of Christ's ministry, the dynamic between Paganism and Christianity, including addressing the cultural purposes of the social conditioning of the Greek gymnasium.

But you don't know any of those things, right? What you know to do is sit on your butt and spout crap against your fellow human being while hypocritically preaching love the entire time.

You are quite the spectacle. Too bad you don't choose to channel what's left of your intellectual energy into doing something good, productive and having a positive influence on your former and current communities.

[_Shulem]

Really. I think you should research Baalism in the Old Testament and get back to us before you start handing out offers of roses and outright calling folks murderers on this board.

But that's just me.

Knowledge is power.

I guess that means you're not going to do it and are passing on the flower.

Again, I'm disappointed.