You don't need Jesus

[_Jersey Girl]

Really. I think you should research Baalism in the Old Testament and get back to us before you start handing out offers of roses and outright calling folks murderers on this board.

But that's just me.

Knowledge is power.

I guess that means you're not going to do it and are passing on the flower.

Again, I'm disappointed.

Disappointed? You're also lazy, ignorant and hypocritical. Get off your lazy butt, learn something and try to do some good for people.

Or stuff it.

[_Shulem]

Disappointed? You're also lazy, ignorant and hypocritical. Get off your lazy butt, learn something and try to do some good for people.

Or stuff it.

I'm not done. I will continue to try and separate you from the love of your imaginary friend. I want you to love all by yourself! I believe you can. I believe you can take that big step into reality and self reliance.

You don't need Jesus, Jersey Girl. You don't. You can forgive yourself and others all by yourself.

[_Jersey Girl]

If it's not too much an effort to point and click, proceed to check out. Get these.

https://www.amazon.com/What-Bible-Reall ... +the+Bible

https://www.amazon.com/History-God-000- ... +Armstrong

And start with those. Weave together the information and move forward with it.

And remember that a heterosexual Christian Jersey Girl recommended them to your sorry ass.

[_Jersey Girl]

Disappointed? You're also lazy, ignorant and hypocritical. Get off your lazy butt, learn something and try to do some good for people.

Or stuff it.

I'm not done. I will continue to try and separate you from the love of your imaginary friend. I want you to love all by yourself! I believe you can. I believe you can take that big step into reality and self reliance.

You don't need Jesus, Jersey Girl. You don't. You can forgive yourself and others all by yourself.

Oh yes. A lazy minded hyprocite has the power to influence me.

Happens all the time that does.

[_Shulem]

In any case, Paul isn't Jesus. Where did Jesus, I mean, "Bloody Jesus" condemn homosexuality?

Paul & Jesus were two peas in a pod. I don't think Jesus liked gays one bit. In fact, there is only evidence to support that he condemned them and reserved them for biblical judgment.

"Verily I say unto you, It shall be more tolerable for the land of Sodom and Gomorrha in the day of judgment, than for that city."

Have you any evidence to show Jesus condoned homosexuals or their places of establishment? Have you any evidence to show that Jesus condemned Jehovah's capital punishment towards gays?

No, I don't think you do. So shut up.

[_Gadianton]

Do you think I have to count the Westboro Baptists as part of my average just because they claim to follow the Bible? If so I think you may still be seeing religion through Mormon lenses. Not all religious labels are brands. If one car dealer sells a bad model does that drag down the average of cars?

Depending on what you mean by "Bible-based Christian," I'm probably not one, anyway. The Bible has some profound things in it but the idea of any text being authoritative makes no sense to me.

Maybe I made a bad assumption; i assumed you were evangelical. From as much of an outsider's perspective as I can put myself, I just mean that a highly structured religion (or organization) like Mormonism will have fewer positions available than an array of one-off Christian churches that aren't bound to any kind of standard except the cultural and somewhat fictitious standard (in my opinion) of biblical authority.

If I'm inclined to believe x-y-z but born Mormon, I might be able to believe x, but y and z I may need to negotiate on. If I'm inclined to believe x-y-z and I disagree with my local pastor, I'd probably become upset, assume whatever I believe is what the Bible says, which is x-y-z, and then go look for another church that believes x-y-z.

As an example, if my issue is gender equality, and I'm born Mormon, then good luck. I can move to any ward on the planet and I'll never encounter a female bishop. However, if I'm evangelical in a typical conservative church, it's not as much of a stretch to drive around a bit until I find a church that holds the same other beliefs I have but has a female pastor.

I'm just saying that the same structural openness, the minimal buy-in of the Bible as final word along with some minimal theology like the trinity and salvation by grace, paves the way for progressive beliefs, but it does the same for regressive beliefs, which a more rigid organization has some protections against.

[_Jersey Girl]

In any case, Paul isn't Jesus. Where did Jesus, I mean, "Bloody Jesus" condemn homosexuality?

Paul & Jesus were two peas in a pod. I don't think Jesus liked gays one bit. In fact, there is only evidence to support that he condemned them and reserved them for biblical judgment.

"Verily I say unto you, It shall be more tolerable for the land of Sodom and Gomorrha in the day of judgment, than for that city."

Have you any evidence to show Jesus condoned homosexuals or their places of establishment? Have you any evidence to show that Jesus condemned Jehovah's capital punishment towards gays?

No, I don't think you do. So shut up.

You are ignorant of the Bible, particularly how the reported entrance of Jesus in to human history interfaces with the Old Testament accounts. The Old Testament is littered will God's condemnation and judgements of the Hebrews. No really, go look it up.

Read it this time.

You asked if I have evidence to show Jesus condoned homosexuals or their places of establishment. What places of establishment are you talking about? I have asked you repeatedly if Jesus condemns homosexuality in the New Testament. A question that you are unable to answer with intellectual honesty. It's not an essay question. It requires only a simple "yes" or "no".

Since you are unable to answer truthfully because it will upset your so-called agenda here. I'll have to do it for you. Jesus made NO distinction regarding sexual orientation. He never once spoke of it, much less did he condemn it. That people misunderstand the scripture they read isn't cause for you to condemn them when you could be teaching them the truth and advocating for gays and straights in the very church that you left.

Did it ever cross your mind that your work wasn't done yet? Did it ever cross your mind that there might be a more worthy and valuable "mission" for you in life besides slamming up raving hate posts on a message board?

Have I got any evidence to show that Jesus condemned Old Testament capital punishment towards gays? As I said, Jesus made NO distinction based on sexual orientation. You seem overly focused on the Old Testament Mosaic and Levitical laws that only pertain to gays. Those laws were directed towards a great many groups for various violations.

Recall that Jesus is reported as saying that he came to fulfill the Law. It's in the book. The New Testament part. If you want to know if he condemned capital punishment on account of sexual sins? Yes, don't you know where to find it?

It's right in the whole of John chapter 8 where Jesus is directly confronted with Mosaic Law, over rides, and shames those attempting to act on it.

You quoted a passage about Sodom and Gomorrah. I can try to make a case for Sojourner's law violations in that regard.

Why can't you?

Why can't you advocate for your own LGBTQ community in the face of your old church community? You could do that. But instead you settle for unproductive and useless blathering.

[_Jersey Girl]

Here's an example of your blatant ignorance. While others here would choose to ignore it, I simply cannot.

Sure, that's me exactly. A murderous, hate filled, very bad man.

You can tell by all the hate filled posts filled with anger and condemnation I publish all over the board.

Oh wait...

Well, Moses commands you to pick up stones and kill gays. I trust you will comply with the law. (Hint, you're living in Moses' time)

Murderer.

In your above you address another poster as "murderer". Not only is that intended to be a vicious and admitted personal attack on your part, it spotlights your ignorance. Now, I will grant you that JHLPROF has been taught differently than I have. He has additional teachings of LDS scripture and doctrines through which he views the world.

And yet here, you tell him that Moses commands him to pick up stones and kill gays.. Moses doesn't command either a Mormon or Christian to do anything much less does he command either JHLPROF or I to pick up stones and kill gays. .

One thing we both have in common is a belief in Jesus Christ. Jesus directly commands both of us in various ways for various reasons. JHLPROF has his additional scriptures that also influence him. The accounts of Jesus tell us that he came to fulfill the Law, there are repeated references where he took the law and turned it in it's head. That's why we have the verses that many here wrongly use that tell us Jesus came to bring a sword. He flew in the face of Mosaic Law and that is where the divisions occured. That is where the new religion formed after Paul took the doctrinal ball and ran with it.

Moses doesn't command a Christian or a Mormon to do any darn thing. Moses isn't the Savior of either religion.

And you wallow in your ignorance and condemn both of us a murderers. Know what?

I condemn you as ignorant.

The more you rant and rave, the more you make heinous false accusations against your fellow and sister human beings while hypocritically preaching "all you need is love" while spewing hate from keyboard, people like us are watching a guy who is out of control and ignorant of scripture who is fulfilling prophecy and reinforcing everything we believe, including the very existence of Jesus, before our very eyes.

People like JHLPROF and I, eat that type of behavior for breakfast. Why?

Because you make the case for us.

[_Shulem]

I have asked you repeatedly

I have asked several direct questions in this thread which you have not answered. In fact, you've ignored the whole point of this thread. You, Jersey Girl, are a hypocrite and are deceptive in your debate practices -- you are a Christian militant -- peddling your disgusting Christian religion. You love to quickly accuse your opponent of not answering your questions almost seconds after posing them. You love to attack the person and find any fault in the person while all along ignoring the message. You have not answered my questions -- but you deflect and assault. You've ignored the points I've made in this thread and have derailed it. I see how you manipulate and use deception in defending your side of an argument. You have derailed my thread and I would appreciate it if you would get the hell out of my thread, right now, thank you. You are not an honest person. As I say, you are a Christian militant for in behalf of your imaginary friend.

Jehovah God is a monster. He is pure evil. The Christian religion is an evil cult.

Cursed be Jehovah and the Israelite cult.

[_Shulem]

the very existence of Jesus

You are a Christian liar. There is no real Jesus. Nothing is proven to make Jesus real. He is in your imagination. He is your imaginary friend. The prophecies and promises of the Christian Bible are garbage.