Trump and/or Reality

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Re: Trump and/or Reality

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Sharing your country with others is not having it taken from you.


People illegally entering the country against democratically established law is not sharing. It's invasion. Sharing implies the citizens have a choice in the matter. Right now they don't.
And when the confederates saw Jackson standing fearless as a stone wall the army of Northern Virginia took courage and drove the federal army off their land.
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ajax18 wrote:
Sharing your country with others is not having it taken from you.


People illegally entering the country against democratically established law is not sharing. It's invasion. Sharing implies the citizens have a choice in the matter. Right now they don't.


It's literally not an invasion.

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Every record...falsified, every book rewritten...every statue...has been renamed or torn down, every date...altered...the process is continuing...minute by minute. History has stopped. Nothing exists except an endless present in which the Ideology is always right.
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Re: Trump and/or Reality

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ajax18 wrote:
Sharing your country with others is not having it taken from you.


People illegally entering the country against democratically established law is not sharing. It's invasion. Sharing implies the citizens have a choice in the matter. Right now they don't.


I'm not just talking about undocumenteds. I'm talking about liberals. This country needs much more discussion and less egotistic rantings from the White House.
"God" is the original deus ex machina. --Maksutov
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I'm not just talking about undocumenteds. I'm talking about liberals. This country needs much more discussion and less egotistic rantings from the White House.


Liberals don't share either. They take peoples property by force the same as the Bolsheviks. But at least they do it through democratic law as a tyrannical majority most of the time. Illegal aliens don't even do that.
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MeDotOrg wrote:
The Washington Post wrote:President Trump was in West Virginia to talk about tax reform, so, naturally, he began talking about the results of the 2016 election, immigration, obstruction of justice and his idea that millions of people cast illegal votes.

The path he took to discussing voter fraud went like this. (This is not made up.)

His administration is working on a new version of NAFTA.
But Mexico was helpful on curtailing the caravan of immigrants coming up from Central America.
They have strong laws on immigration, but America has weak laws, thanks to Democrats like Sen. Joe Manchin (W.Va.).
We’ve going to get tougher laws and the wall.
One tougher law will deal with “chain migration.”

That excludes a number of other riffs, including on sanctuary cities, “liberating” towns from the dreaded MS-13, “obstruction of justice” by the mayor of Oakland, Calif., and, naturally, rape.

But this idea of chain migration was his jumping-off point. He talked about a terrorist attack in New York City in October that he blamed on the policy. Democrats like chain migration, though, he said, because they think those new immigrants are going to vote Democrat.

“They are doing it for that reason, because they aren’t going to be voting with us for the most part. A lot of them aren’t going to be voting,” he said. “A lot of times, it doesn’t matter, because in many places, like California, the same person votes many times. You probably heard about that.”

“They always like to say, ‘Oh, that’s a conspiracy theory!’ ” he continued. “Not a conspiracy theory, folks. Millions and millions of people, and it’s very hard because the state guards their records. They don’t want to see it.”

Here we have the best kind of conspiracy theory, the kind that can't be refuted. If California is indeed suppressing the information that thousands of Californians are voting multiple times, voilà! There it is! You can't prove it if it is part of the coverup. There's a coverup so massive it can't be uncovered. So if the point Trump wishes to make cannot be proven, it just shows that it's part of the coverup.

Of course in order to believe this you would have to believe that there is a massive simultaneous conspiracy between Californians casting literally millions of illegal votes, within a system of simultaneously adding millions of duplicate votes that no one can describe. The California the Secretary of State, in charge of certifying the elections, would have to be complicit as well. Because the backbone of the democratic process is one man one vote, all of these people are essentially guilty of treason against the United States. A woman in Texas was recently sentenced to 5 years in prison for voting while on probation for a felony. How long should Alex Padilla, the California Secretary of State, spend in jail?

Of course it is all smoke and mirrors. If there were an ounce of proof, this would be a job for the Justice Department. There are plenty of right wing investigative journalists, and plenty of right wing money to fund those journalists, and they would happily rip the cover off the biggest voter fraud story in history. The Koch Brothers would probably give you the State of Montana. And yet has anyone come up with a plausible (without Aluminum Foil hats) way that this could happen?

Hello, anyone? Not you, Alex Jones, but anyone else? Are you afraid that Jerry Brown is going to bump you off?

I always knew Trump would be an awful President, but two character traits have continued to astound me: The incredible, incessant need of his insatiable ego, and his willingness to destroy anything, even faith in our institutions, if it stands in the path of said ego.


Trump is still bothered by having lost the popular vote. About 12% of the US Population lives within California. California's voter turnout from 2016 was 10.4% of the total voter turnout within the US, which is less than 12%. And House Republicans did Not end up losing a seat from California during the 2016 election.
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Re: Trump and/or Reality

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ajax18 wrote:People illegally entering the country against democratically established law is not sharing. It's invasion. Sharing implies the citizens have a choice in the matter. Right now they don't.


Dude jobs for illegal immigrants is the closes thing we have to 19th century slavery.
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Dude jobs for illegal immigrants is the closes thing we have to 19th century slavery.


Look how well slavery worked out for us.
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Re: Trump and/or Reality

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ajax18 wrote:
Sharing your country with others is not having it taken from you.


People illegally entering the country against democratically established law is not sharing. It's invasion. Sharing implies the citizens have a choice in the matter. Right now they don't.


It sounds like your life really sucks. I don't have the same problems you have. You must live in a really dumpy area, surrounded by criminals threatening you every day. I live in a really nice area.
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Re: Trump and/or Reality

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ajax18 wrote:
I'm not just talking about undocumenteds. I'm talking about liberals. This country needs much more discussion and less egotistic rantings from the White House.


Liberals don't share either. They take peoples property by force the same as the Bolsheviks. But at least they do it through democratic law as a tyrannical majority most of the time. Illegal aliens don't even do that.


Hey, your avatar was a major defender of slavery. You have no standing criticizing Bolsheviks or anybody else. Talk about "force" in politics--you celebrate states built on slavery, oppression and genocide. The Confederates didn't want to be part of a world power-they would rather live off their slaves than do honest work. :wink: Heritage? Legacy? Tradition? Even now the South is the drain of the country, taking in federal aid and producing very little.

I'm getting kind of tired of sharing the intellectual capital of this country and the civilized world with the gun groping creationist fanatics that you follow. :rolleyes: You clearly hate your fellow Americans and resist compromise and solutions. The white sheet must suit you just fine. :wink:
"God" is the original deus ex machina. --Maksutov
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Re: Trump and/or Reality

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I would love one person to cogently explain why we even need boarders. Birds, for instance, don't give a damn about man-made boarders. They fly where they want to.

Animals have freedom, not Americans.

Seriously, what makes an American different from a Canadian or a Mexican? Is it really any more than place of birth?

I get the feeling the only reason for boarders these days is as an organizing principle. Each group of people governs their respective areas, but people should be free to go wherever the hell they want. The actual location of your birth is irrelevant to who you are as a person, except to the extent that your local culture shapes you (which I don't think is nearly as much as how much your biology dictates who you are). I suspect boarders are a throwback to old tribalism, and don't make any damned sense in today's global society. The boarders between countries should be treated the same as the boarders between states - a line on a map I cross whenever I feel like it.

It's funny to me that the people most likely to deny evolution do so because they haven't gotten enough separation from it. They still talk like they live on the plains of Africa. We have to protect our tribe...
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