Trump and/or Reality

[_ajax18]

(which I don't think is nearly as much as how much your biology dictates who you are)

Perhaps that's one thing we can agree on.

Also, thank you for clearly stating the Democratic platform on borders as well. Perhaps even you can understand DJT's point that we either have a country or we don't.

Hey, your avatar was a major defender of slavery. You have no standing criticizing Bolsheviks or anybody else. Talk about "force" in politics--you celebrate states built on slavery, oppression and genocide. The Confederates didn't want to be part of a world power-they would rather live off their slaves than do honest work. Heritage? Legacy? Tradition? Even now the South is the drain of the country, taking in federal aid and producing very little.

For an educated person, you seem to know very little about who Tom Jackson was or what states rights was about as originally defined in the constitution. I dearly love my confederate ancestors but look at all the problems they caused for us by bringing African slaves instead of picking their own cotton. People like Doubting Thomas are making the same mistakes today with Latin American cheap labor, which is indeed the new slavery. We can't seem to learn from history's mistakes.

[_Some Schmo]

Also, thank you for clearly stating the Democratic platform on borders as well.

I've never heard a Democrat say what I said.

I don't consider myself a Democrat, so this doesn't surprise me.

Perhaps even you can understand DJT's point that we either have a country or we don't.

We either have a state or we don't.

We either have a county or we don't.

We either have a city or we don't.

We either have a district or we don't.

We either have a continent or we don't.

Aren't all of these brilliant points to be made? That's just how my brain is. It has all these superior thoughts. Believe me. I just think of them, and then I say them out loud, and people are so impressed, because they couldn't think of them, but I thought of 'em, folks... I thought of 'em... Also, my hands are huge. Believe me.

[_Some Schmo]

Let it be noted that given the opportunity, Majax decided not to explain the rational point of borders in today's day and age. I wonder why...

[_ajax18]

Let it be noted that given the opportunity, Majax decided not to explain the rational point of borders in today's day and age. I wonder why...

I'd be more interested in seeing if any Democrats on this board disagree with Schmo's view of borders.

For me it's an issue of private property. Do you have locks on the doors of your house Schmo? Who ultimately gives you the right to private property? Why can't squatters just set their tents up in your yard? Perhaps the idea of private property is foreign to you given that the Indians never did understand how someone could own land.

[_Some Schmo]

For me it's an issue of private property. Do you have locks on the doors of your house Schmo? Who ultimately gives you the right to private property? Why can't squatters just set their tents up in your yard? Perhaps the idea of private property is foreign to you given that the Indians never did understand how someone could own land.

Is the entire country your private property, Majax? That's a tad greedy, don't you think?

You've done this before (conflate immigrants here illegally with people invading your home). Are you honestly here to tell us those things are equal?

And speaking of Indians, what about their claim to North America? How do you reconcile your home on what was originally their land? Is it that you understand what damned douche bags the white people were as immigrants to this country and believe all races will act this way?

[_Doctor CamNC4Me]

Let it be noted that given the opportunity, Majax decided not to explain the rational point of borders in today's day and age. I wonder why...

I think the idea that we don't need borders is a bit odd. The fact of the matter is people don't really share one another's values. Just as I wouldn't want somone to set up a car service center on my property, or across the street at the community park, I don't want 100 million Chinese to decide to immigrate to the mountain West in 2018. Rule of law begets order and order under the right paradigm brings peace and prosperity.

Cultural integration is a thing because history has shown over and over again that cultural dissimilarities due to rapid migrant influx causes a breakdown in social convention, civic order, and eventually the state itself.

- Doc

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Is the entire country your private property, Majax?

The country belongs to the citizens of the USA, not the citizens of the world. The English acquired America through conquest and sometimes actually cash payment. My ancestors weren't immigrants, they were conquerors. Some of your ancestors, at least your y-chromosome, were conquerors as well. In fact everyone who owns a piece of land has rights to it due to military conquest.

Oh and animals are very territorial as well. This maximizes use of the land and maintains quality of life by not allowing for overpopulation.

[_Some Schmo]

Is the entire country your private property, Majax?

The country belongs to the citizens of the USA, not the citizens of the world. The English acquired America through conquest and sometimes actually cash payment. My ancestors weren't immigrants, they were conquerors. Some of your ancestors, at least your y-chromosome, were conquerors as well. In fact everyone who owns a piece of land has rights to it due to military conquest.

Oh and animals are very territorial as well. This maximizes use of the land and maintains quality of life by not allowing for overpopulation.

Conquerors, huh? Romanticize much?

So it sounds like you are actually afraid immigrants will conquer America, since in your mind, that seems to be fair game.

Well, too damned bad for you. It'll happen whether you like it or not, and all your racist whining won't stop it.

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Well, too ____ bad for you. It'll happen whether you like it or not, and all your racist whining won't stop it.

Too bad for the world as well. If the US had not acquired California and the mountain west, your people would have no where to flee the poverty they've created in their own countries.

[_Doctor CamNC4Me]

This is what happens when you can't secure your own borders:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mtj1h-1RR18

That's Poland, by the way. Worth the watch.

Every iteration of border change was a result of death and suffering for the Poles and the people against whom they levied war. This is a fact of human life and nature. Securing one's border really should be a nation-state's top priority.

- Doc