Man burns alive in Trump owned Building

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Donald Trump once lobbied against fire sprinklers in existing New York high-rises, including Trump Tower

The blast swallowed the firefighters as they were charging through the smoke-clogged hallway of a Brooklyn building, searching for a 67-year-old woman believed to be trapped inside her apartment.

More than 150 first responders were on the scene as the pre-dawn blaze ripped through the senior living facility operated by the New York City Housing Authority on Dec. 19, 1998, the New York Times later reported. The three men on the top floor were pinned down when the wind from open windows turned the narrow hall into a blowtorch. “Mayday!” came over the radio. The firefighters were dead within a minute.

The blaze — the deadliest to hit New York City in four years — was quickly followed by another tragedy on Manhattan’s Upper West Side on Dec. 25. Four residents were killed when a fire broke out inside a 51-story apartment building, the South Park Towers.

In both blazes, sprinklers — of lack thereof — played a critical role in the loss of life. The Brooklyn building’s sprinklers did not work. The South Park Towers did not have them on its residential floors. In the aftermath, then-mayor Rudolph W. Giuliani and other officials advocated for new laws requiring sprinklers in all buildings.

The proposal, however, was met with pushback from real estate developers, including Donald Trump, who argued against retrofitting existing buildings.

The president’s past views on fire sprinklers are back in the news after a fire tore into a 50th-floor apartment at the Trump Tower in New York City on Saturday evening. Todd Brassner, a 67-year-old art dealer, was found unconscious at the scene. He later was pronounced dead at the hospital.

Due to the contentious late 1990s debate over fire safety, sprinklers were not installed in the Trump property, safeguards that perhaps may have stopped or limited this weekend’s blaze.

“The upper floors, which are residence floors, are not sprinklered,” New York City Fire Department Commissioner Dan Nigro said at a news conference, the New York Daily News reported. “But the building sure stood up quite well.”

For Jerome Rose, this weekend’s Trump Tower fire struck as a particularly grim form of deja vu. A resident of the South Park Towers in 1998, Rose became a vocal advocate for sprinkler laws following the tragedy.

Following the two 1998 fires, the Giuliani administration pushed for some kind of proposal to address sprinklers in high rise buildings. ”Sprinklers are a good idea; they certainly help,” the mayor told the New York Times at the time. ”The question is just exactly how they’re used.”

The main issue was whether only new construction would be required to have sprinklers, or whether older buildings would be forced to add sprinklers as well. The latter option was deemed too expensive by Trump and other real estate developers, who estimated retrofitting structures to add sprinklers would cost up to $4 per square foot.

According to a January 1999 article in the New York Post, Trump personally “called a dozen council members to lobby against sprinklers.” He also donated $5,000 to retire the campaign debt of Peter Vallone, then the council’s speaker. Trump told the New York Times he had both ”received and placed calls” to city officials about the sprinkler proposal, including to Archie Spigner, the chairman at the time of the council’s Housing and Buildings Committee.



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MORE FAKE NEWS! Were you outraged when a firefighter was killed from a fire while hollyweird was making a movie in an old bar that had NO sprinkler system? You leftist have double standards!


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Hawkeye wrote:And Trump's first and only response wasn't to offer condolences the the family of the man who died. No, he didn't even mention him. Instead he goes on to boast about how his buildings are well-built. The reason the man died is because there were no sprinkler systems installed.

Ladies and gentlemen we're talking about the president of the United States. He once said that he could kill somebody on the street and none of his supporters would care. Well, here we are.

CFR on all of this....
because reality seems to disagree with your claim here (shocking!)...

for example, Trump's tweet reads - “Fire at Trump Tower is out,” he wrote. “Very confined (well built building). Firemen (and women) did a great job. THANK YOU!” - which even a dolt understands that context but it takes a bigger dolt to conclude this tweet as "touting".....

care to speculate on the timing for when the tweet was tweeted and when the death was reported?...nah you probably don't...tweet was at 3:42pm and death was reported at 5:30pm....and i suspect your hair-fire started when?

(fyi, sprinklers have not been proven to have ever saved anyone's life from a fire, they usually just destroy the property and provide good sources of revenue for fire officials...now, standpipes are useful.)
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subgenius wrote:That being said, i am just glad that people are willing to make political this guy's tragic demise.
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But it isn't about anyone's death according to Trump. Based on his remark this is about the awesomeness of his building's integrity. Cute that you would throw this in and pretend you care anything about someone dying. Trump said he could kill someone and people like you wouldn't care, and he was obviously right. Give him a pass all you want but the fact is it was Trump and other like him who lobbied against safety measures that probably would have saved this man's life. If this were an Obama owned building, God help us all.
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wow, you are google crazy on this topic ain't ya?

ehem, by the way I lobby against sprinklers all the time and I have a sworn license (yes, even in NYS) to protect health and safety via my profession....sprinklers are usually, if not always, an unnecessary and burdensome expense with no track record of actually saving lives.

But hey, how about a sprinkler for your hair-fire, amiright?
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Hawkeye wrote:
Res Ipsa wrote:I have trouble faulting Trump for the man's death. Sprinklers weren't required when the building was built. When the code was updated to require them, older buildings were grandfathered in under the old code, as is typical. Retrofits can be pretty expensive, and at some point could become a regulatory taking. I can't fault a guy for not upgrading a grandfathered building.


From the article I read, and I don't have it on me right now, it was a local ordinance passed saying that any grandfathered buildings that were undergoing renovations needed to have sprinklers put in them and Trump fought against that measure saying that the fire problem is more with family homes and not high rise apts.


It doesn't surprise me that he did. I'm assuming other building owners did as well. Requiring renovations to comply with current building codes is also pretty standard. Depending on the extent of damage caused by the fire, there might be an obligation to repair to current code as well.
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Hawkeye wrote:But it isn't about anyone's death according to Trump. Based on his remark this is about the awesomeness of his building's integrity..

your post is an embarrassment to yourself...the tweet was tweeted hours before the gentleman died....so, yeah, there is that absurd reality for your hair-fire.

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wow, you are google crazy on this topic ain't ya?


You asked for a CFR and I provided. Upset that I was right, you criticize the source and me for putting your stupidity in its place. Typical substupid.

Nothing you babbled negates what I said. I said his first and only response to the fire was to talk about how great his buildings are. That is a fact. You respond by saying he couldn't have commented about the death because it was reported yet. But since the reported death he's said nothing except to complain about Hillary and the Liberal media. Because... priorities.
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subgenius wrote:
Hawkeye wrote:But it isn't about anyone's death according to Trump. Based on his remark this is about the awesomeness of his building's integrity..

your post is an embarrassment to yourself...the tweet was tweeted hours before the gentleman died....so, yeah, there is that absurd reality for your hair-fire.

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Irrelevant assclown. He's been tweeting relentlessly since it was reported and he hasn't even mentioned it. Because you know, babbling gibberish about Hillary and the Liberal media is more important.
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Hawkeye wrote:
wow, you are google crazy on this topic ain't ya?


You asked for a CFR and I provided. Upset that I was right, you criticize the source and me for putting your stupidity in its place. Typical substupid.

Nothing you babbled negates what I said. I said his first and only response to the fire was to talk about how great his buildings are. That is a fact. You respond by saying he couldn't have commented about the death because it was reported yet. But since the reported death he's said nothing except to complain about Hillary and the Liberal media. Because... priorities.

um, you forgot to actually CFR your claim...we all know the fire "happened" - but you failed to prove that sprinklers would have saved Brassner etc.
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