Guns don't kill people; people kill people?

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Re: Guns don't kill people; people kill people?

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ajax18 wrote:
One device is literally designed to kill human beings.


That doesn't mean guns can only be used for bad things. They still can have utiltity even if it's ultimately only as a deterrent.


You're not going to attempt to solve the riddle?

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Why would a person try to draw an unthinking corollary between the two?


Because guns can be used for good and not just evil. Cell phones can be used for evil and not just good. I'll admit that cell phones have a higher utility/risk ratio, but it's not 1 for cell and 0 for guns. Your false dichotomy doesn't allow for this fact.
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ajax18 wrote:
Why would a person try to draw an unthinking corollary between the two?


Because guns can be used for good and not just evil. Cell phones can be used for evil and not just good. I'll admit that cell phones have a higher utility/safety ratio, but it's not 1 for cell and 0 for guns. Your false dichotomy doesn't allow for this fact.


Oh my god. You can't make this stuff up.

I take it you're not going to answer the riddle then?

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Maxine Waters wrote:Why not ban cell phones. That would reduce the number of fatalities from texting and driving. Are cell phone companies accomplices to murder?

The next time a single person, armed with a cellphone, kills 58 people, wounds another 422, within the span of ten minutes, from a 32nd floor hotel room, I promise I will be an advocate for increased cell phone safety legislation.
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Doctor Steuss wrote:
Maxine Waters wrote:Why not ban cell phones. That would reduce the number of fatalities from texting and driving. Are cell phone companies accomplices to murder?

The next time a single person, armed with a cellphone, kills 58 people, wounds another 422, within the span of ten minutes, from a 32nd floor hotel room, I promise I will be an advocate for increased cell phone safety legislation.

I like how Ajax doesn't recognize that legislatures are cracking down heavily on cell phone usage while driving. In my state especially, many cities are enforcing very strict hands-free laws that generally accompany fines at least as steep as standard speeding tickets. That doesn't include the 2017 provision that passed across the entire state prohibiting usage and increasing penalties for those that cause fatalities while using a phone.
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Doctor Steuss wrote:
Maxine Waters wrote:Why not ban cell phones. That would reduce the number of fatalities from texting and driving. Are cell phone companies accomplices to murder?

The next time a single person, armed with a cellphone, kills 58 people, wounds another 422, within the span of ten minutes, from a 32nd floor hotel room, I promise I will be an advocate for increased cell phone safety legislation.

this is a confusing analogy you are setting up here?
If the point is about "quantity" then obviously text/driving deaths far exceed gun fatalities.
If the point is about "single assailant" then your advocacy has a critical mass of what quantity? I mean, if a single gun-person kills only 10 while wounding another 20, is that still worthy?...obviously the single text/drive-person that maybe kills 4 and injures 2 does not merit advocacy...or is it some other, yet to be revealed, formula that combines weapon type, assailant quantity, injuries, and deaths?
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Xenophon wrote:I like how Ajax doesn't recognize that legislatures are cracking down heavily on cell phone usage while driving. In my state especially, many cities are enforcing very strict hands-free laws that generally accompany fines at least as steep as standard speeding tickets. That doesn't include the 2017 provision that passed across the entire state prohibiting usage and increasing penalties for those that cause fatalities while using a phone.

In Nevada, they passed state-wide legislation back in late 2011.

The initial fine is pretty low. It's $50 for the first offense (within a seven year period). Next offense is $100, and after that, every offense is $250. After the first one, each additional one results in 4 demerit points on your license. Points are then reported to your insurance, which increases your premiums. The courts also have leeway in adding fines on top of the $50-250 depending on where it occurred (like in a work zone, or by a school).

Basically, touching your cellphone while in a car in Nevada can result in a hit to your wallet, and potentially losing your driver’s license altogether. They don't mess around either. I know people who have been dinged for changing their music playlist at a stop light.
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subgenius wrote:this is a confusing analogy you are setting up here?

Just answering the volley in kind.
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Cell phones don't kill people, they kill your social life.

I have a killer cell phone. Maybe I should keep it locked in a cell phone safe.
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Re: Guns don't kill people; people kill people?

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Doctor Steuss wrote:
subgenius wrote:this is a confusing analogy you are setting up here?

Just answering the volley in kind.

so your response was intended to be absurd and irrational?
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