Political ad's, morning gripe

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Re: Political ad's, morning gripe

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Themis wrote:
Markk wrote:by the way..I am not a Republican if you are trying to somehow insinuate that I am.


It's hard to see when you are very consistent in complaining about Democrats but never see you complaining about Republicans or Trump when they are creating large amounts of debt for you while dropping the taxes for the rich by large amounts.


That is becasue you only see what you want to see, are you saying I have never said things like Trump is a loud mouth idiot?

From the first day that Trump was elected, I stated it was sad that our choices were he and Hillary. I would vote for him in a heartbeat today if the choices were the same.

That said...

I believe that Trump is a liar and a past (I can only hope that is in his past today) womanizer and certainly a narcissist, I can't defend him as a person, just as I couldn't defend Hillary as a person. I also believe he is doing things that need to be done and doing a good job in several of these area's...even being the personal idiot that he is. If you believe I do not cringe at some of the things he tweets you are mistaken.

As President, being who he is aside, can you concede that he has inherited a huge mess left the past two or three administrations?
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Re: Political ad's, morning gripe

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Markk wrote:That is becasue you only see what you want to see, are you saying I have never said things like Trump is a loud mouth idiot?

From the first day that Trump was elected, I stated it was sad that our choices were he and Hillary. I would vote for him in a heartbeat today if the choices were the same.


That tells us a lot. Trump was so bad some notable republicans who thought they would never in a million years vote for a democratic nominee did. I may not be a big fan of HC, but I can clearly see she is way better then Trump. There are a number of Republicans I would gladly vote for, if I could, then HC, but Trump is obviously not even in the ball park.

I believe that Trump is a liar and a past (I can only hope that is in his past today) womanizer and certainly a narcissist, I can't defend him as a person, just as I couldn't defend Hillary as a person. I also believe he is doing things that need to be done and doing a good job in several of these area's...even being the personal idiot that he is. If you believe I do not cringe at some of the things he tweets you are mistaken.

As President, being who he is aside, can you concede that he has inherited a huge mess left the past two or three administrations?


Could you provide one example of what the past mess the last two or three administrations have created in which Trump is doing a good job of solving?
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Themis wrote:
Markk wrote:That is becasue you only see what you want to see, are you saying I have never said things like Trump is a loud mouth idiot?

From the first day that Trump was elected, I stated it was sad that our choices were he and Hillary. I would vote for him in a heartbeat today if the choices were the same.


That tells us a lot. Trump was so bad some notable republicans who thought they would never in a million years vote for a democratic nominee did. I may not be a big fan of HC, but I can clearly see she is way better then Trump. There are a number of Republicans I would gladly vote for, if I could, then HC, but Trump is obviously not even in the ball park.

I believe that Trump is a liar and a past (I can only hope that is in his past today) womanizer and certainly a narcissist, I can't defend him as a person, just as I couldn't defend Hillary as a person. I also believe he is doing things that need to be done and doing a good job in several of these area's...even being the personal idiot that he is. If you believe I do not cringe at some of the things he tweets you are mistaken.

As President, being who he is aside, can you concede that he has inherited a huge mess left the past two or three administrations?


Could you provide one example of what the past mess the last two or three administrations have created in which Trump is doing a good job of solving?


You are in denial...he is in the ball park, he is president. I understand we are divided as a nation as to which candidate is "better"...basically a Moe or Curley choice.

Foreign policy. While it is too early to know for sure, all signs are pointing too good choices, and whether or not you agree with his choices and policies...he is leading and doing a lot of what he said he would do. If he pulls off a de-nuked NK, and a unified Korea ending the Korean war...that is a very good thing and I beivieve we as a nation should get behind him on this, and pt politics aside. Are you behind him on this?

The economy goes in cycles, and the president will get credit for a good or bad economy even when a lot of it is out of their control...that said they do have some responsibility how it fares...and so far he gets high grades on getting people back to work....if it tanks he will get credit for that also.

Taxes will take time to pan out, we will see.

Immigration on the border...he is actually addressing a bleeding problem that goes back to at least Regan's mistakes. the Democrat's want the votes, the Rep's wanted cheap labor...he is bucking both and seeing it as a real issue and dealing with it. It a wall answer? I doubt it, but it is step forward.
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Markk wrote:Foreign policy. While it is too early to know for sure, all signs are pointing too good choices, and whether or not you agree with his choices and policies...he is leading and doing a lot of what he said he would do. If he pulls off a de-nuked North Korea, and a unified Korea ending the Korean war...that is a very good thing and I beivieve we as a nation should get behind him on this, and pt politics aside. Are you behind him on this?


Can you explain how Trump is ending the Korean war?
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Immigration on the border...he is actually addressing a bleeding problem that goes back to at least Regan's mistakes. the Democrat's want the votes, the Rep's wanted cheap labor...he is bucking both and seeing it as a real issue and dealing with it. It a wall answer? I doubt it, but it is step forward.


I've felt alone on the immigration issue for decades. I've been pleasantly surprised at how many Americans in fact want to enforce the border. Every poll and RINO said we'd never have another Republican president unless we embraced amnesty and open borders. We can see that wasn't true.
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ajax18 wrote:I've felt alone on the immigration issue for decades. I've been pleasantly surprised at how many Americans in fact want to enforce the border.


Dude the US already has one of the most heavily militarized borders in the world. Enough with the government spending please.
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ajax18 wrote:
I've felt alone on the immigration issue for decades. I've been pleasantly surprised at how many Americans in fact want to enforce the border. Every poll and RINO said we'd never have another Republican president unless we embraced amnesty and open borders. We can see that wasn't true.


for what it's worth I agree with you about immigration and our borders. Though at the same time, I recognize the complexity of the human rights issues that are involved.
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DoubtingThomas wrote:
Dude the US already has one of the most heavily militarized borders in the world. Enough with the government spending please.

I, for one, would love to see the data justifying this claim...I wont receive it, but I would love to see it.
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Re: Political ad's, morning gripe

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Markk wrote:You are in denial...he is in the ball park, he is president. I understand we are divided as a nation as to which candidate is "better"...basically a Moe or Curley choice.


Trump is certainly not in the ball park, and it's not a surprise. Many saw this long before he became president. Now we see chaos and corruption on a scale never seen in USA politics and a degradation of democratic values. While the US lost it's status as a full democracy before Trump became president, he certainly is not making it better.

Foreign policy. While it is too early to know for sure, all signs are pointing too good choices, and whether or not you agree with his choices and policies...he is leading and doing a lot of what he said he would do. If he pulls off a de-nuked North Korea, and a unified Korea ending the Korean war...that is a very good thing and I beivieve we as a nation should get behind him on this, and pt politics aside. Are you behind him on this?


I would support an official end to the Korean war as well as North Korea giving up it's nuclear arsenal and ballistic missiles. It's way to early to know how this will go and whether North Korea is playing with us as they have done in the past. You also need to be careful about how much Trump or his administration has done to bring North Korea to the bargaining table. It will be a while to see how this all plays out, but Trump is threatening blowing up the Iran deal which is a huge mistake and one that will tell the North Koreans the US does not keep it's promises. NK has been good at saying they will do something and not do it to play for time.

The economy goes in cycles, and the president will get credit for a good or bad economy even when a lot of it is out of their control...that said they do have some responsibility how it fares...and so far he gets high grades on getting people back to work....if it tanks he will get credit for that also.


Ya but that tells us nothing about past administration mistakes or how Trump is doing well.

Taxes will take time to pan out, we will see.


Trump and republicans signed a deal to give the rich huge tax cuts so they can make a lot more money, while the middle class gets a modest cut that is only temporary. This while the US has a large debt and deficit and a good economy. Trump fails huge here. They should be looking at modest cuts in spending and modest increases in taxes to work towards a balanced budget. This is what you do in good economic times. They wont be able to do that when the economy goes down which it will always do at some point. This is putting a huge burden on tax payers in the future and a serious threat to the US economy in the future.

Immigration on the border...he is actually addressing a bleeding problem that goes back to at least Regan's mistakes. the Democrat's want the votes, the Rep's wanted cheap labor...he is bucking both and seeing it as a real issue and dealing with it. It a wall answer? I doubt it, but it is step forward.


Trump's fails on immigration in a huge way. I agree that a country does need to control immigration, but Trump is mostly making things worse as he appeals to his racist core voters. Western countries have known for a long time the benefits of immigration to their societies and economies. Especially if your country has big debt and deficits. Trump is hurting a lot of good people and not really solving the real immigration issues. It's going to have to be your moderate Democrats and GOP to come up with real solutions that will not hurt people or the country. You are going to have to wait a while for this to happen.


Now where is this one example of the mess the last 2 or 3 administrations made? :wink:
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Markk wrote:The economy goes in cycles, and the president will get credit for a good or bad economy even when a lot of it is out of their control...that said they do have some responsibility how it fares...and so far he gets high grades on getting people back to work....if it tanks he will get credit for that also.


The Unemployment rate dropped further under Obama than it did under Reagan.

January of 1981 --- 7.5%
December of 1988 - 5.3%

January of 2009 --- 7.8%
December of 2016 - 4.7%


https://data.bls.gov/timeseries/LNS14000000




And more jobs were created under Obama in 2013, 2014, 2015 and 2016 than under Trump in 2017.

2013: 2.302 million
2014: 2.998 million
2015: 2.713 million
2016: 2.240 million
2017: 2.188 million

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.forbes ... years/amp/
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