Political ad's, morning gripe

[_Brackite]

California now has the world's 5th largest economy.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.yahoo. ... 24211.html

[_ajax18]

for what it's worth I agree with you about immigration and our borders. Though at the same time, I recognize the complexity of the human rights issues that are involved.

I guess that's a first. I didn't think anyone on this board agreed with me about immigration and our borders.

[_Jersey Girl]

for what it's worth I agree with you about immigration and our borders. Though at the same time, I recognize the complexity of the human rights issues that are involved.

I guess that's a first. I didn't think anyone on this board agreed with me about immigration and our borders.

Nah, I think I mentioned it previously on the board. I have an on-going competing argument about this with myself. I never really reach any solid conclusions.

:-)

ETA: Mostly it makes me feel insane. Like every other complex issue. Because I don't know what the solutions are.

[_ajax18]

Well, I appreciate you saying that Jersey Girl.

[_Themis]

for what it's worth I agree with you about immigration and our borders. Though at the same time, I recognize the complexity of the human rights issues that are involved.

I guess that's a first. I didn't think anyone on this board agreed with me about immigration and our borders.

I suspect you have different ideas about what it means to enforce ones border. You don't really seem to read people's posts to try and understand what there true positions are.

[_ajax18]

I suspect you have different ideas about what it means to enforce ones border. You don't really seem to read people's posts to try and understand what there true positions are.

Well whatever the Washington establishments way of enforcing the border is, it hasn't worked very well for at least 50 years now. I personally believe they could enforce the border but refuse to follow democratically established law because illegal immigration provides cheap votes for the political elites on the left and cheap labor for the political elites on the right. DJT is smashing that and the establishment wants him gone any way they can because of it.

[_Jersey Girl]

Well, I appreciate you saying that Jersey Girl.

It's the truth.

What are your thoughts on this? The caravan we've read about and seen in the news. Folks coming up from Honduras to get away from gang activity there and see asylum in the US. I read the story of one woman's journey, she was pregnant and traveling with her 2 young children. There were times during the journey where they went hungry and were grateful where in one town, someone gave the boys apples. The journey north to the US was fraught with struggle and hardship.

This is where my thoughts begin to compete with each other. On one hand, I don't want to see people living with violence unleashed. I want folks (particularly parents with children) to live a good life of work, self satisfaction and personal growth, reaching their potential inasmuch is possible. I don't want to see children's development impacted by sustained violence.

When on the other hand...some part of me says "Are we actually relieving their country of origin of it's responsibility to it's citizens? What can we do to pressure this country to improve the circumstances therein?"

When are we our brothers keeper and is there a point at which we should not be our brother's keeper?

Of course I don't know the history of the violence in that country, but there is an example of my competing thoughts. I don't see a solid conclusion or solution.

What's your take on that? Feel free to message them if you'd rather not post them or skip this entirely if you don't feel like engaging at all.

[_ajax18]

It's the truth.

What are your thoughts on this? The caravan we've read about and seen in the news. Folks coming up from Honduras to get away from gang activity there and see asylum in the US. I read the story of one woman's journey, she was pregnant and traveling with her 2 young children. There were times during the journey where they went hungry and were grateful where in one town, someone gave the boys apples. The journey north to the US was fraught with struggle and hardship.

This is where my thoughts begin to compete with each other. On one hand, I don't want to see people living with violence unleashed. I want folks (particularly parents with children) to live a good life of work, self satisfaction and personal growth, reaching their potential inasmuch is possible. I don't want to see children's development impacted by sustained violence.

When on the other hand...some part of me says "Are we actually relieving their country of origin of it's responsibility to it's citizens? What can we do to pressure this country to improve the circumstances therein?"

When are we our brothers keeper and is there a point at which we should not be our brother's keeper?

Of course I don't know the history of the violence in that country, but there is an example of my competing thoughts. I don't see a solid conclusion or solution.

What's your take on that? Feel free to message them if you'd rather not post them or skip this entirely if you don't feel like engaging at all.

I think we should be compassionate and help our spiritual brothers and sisters. But that's not really the issue. The issue is who gets to decide where we draw the line on what we can afford. I believe that right belongs to the taxpaying citizens of the USA.

Do you get conflicting feelings when you meet a beggar on the street? What if that beggar broke into your house, raided your refrigerator and took only what he needed. When you call the police they reply, we're sorry but we just don't agree with the law. We feel that this man needed your possessions more than you and we're therefore morally obligated to ignore the law.

Do voters have a right to set limits on immigration or do they not? Do we have a country or do we not?

[_Themis]

I personally believe they could enforce the border but refuse to follow democratically established law because illegal immigration provides cheap votes for the political elites on the left and cheap labor for the political elites on the right. DJT is smashing that and the establishment wants him gone any way they can because of it.

I am not aware that illegal immigrants can vote. Can legal immigrants vote in federal elections? Cheap labor is something the US needs, as well as other countries like Canada. US Politics can get in the way of creating good programs to get cheap labor from other countries which can result in more illegal immigrants coming for those jobs. Very important if you want some businesses like farming to be able to compete internationally with other farmers and it keeps prices low for Americans making their money go further. Economists seem to think it is good for the economy, but it looks like many people don't due to racist feelings.

[_ajax18]

I guess Themis has let us further the parable a little more. The homeless man who broke into and stole from your house happened to be noncaucasian. You're further vilified as a racist for trying to protect your property in a coordinated mass media effort to silence the majority of voters who are being robbed.