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[_cinepro]

Those students were probably in their early teens when Obama won the Nobel Prize 9 years ago, so little wonder why they don't know why he won it. But crediting Trump for Korean peace is a joke. If anyone deserves a prize it should one of the two guys who were doing the actual negotiations.

Obama entered office in January of 2009. He was announced for the Nobel Peace Prize in October of 2009. What, exactly, did Obama do in the first nine months of his administration that resulted in the prize?

I doubt Trump would ever be awarded the prize, but I don't see how it's arguable that he doesn't deserve it. Again, if Clinton or Sanders were President and the same actions occurred in North Korea towards disarmament and peace, I can't imagine anyone not clamoring for them to get credit.

[Guest]

Obama entered office in January of 2009. He was announced for the Nobel Peace Prize in October of 2009. What, exactly, did Obama do in the first nine months of his administration that resulted in the prize?

Absolutely nothing. But he wasn't awarded the prize because Liberal America demanded it. Since that time I've seen only a few people try to defend him receiving it. It was a surprise to just about everyone, Obama included, when it was announced. You didn't have CNN, MSNBC and all the major networks shilling for Obama as a candidate for the prize.

I doubt Trump would ever be awarded the prize, but I don't see how it's arguable that he doesn't deserve it.

It is easily arguable that he doesn't deserve it. As we speak people are being slaughtered in Palestine, children included, because of his idiotic decision to shift some real estate around. And if anyone is to receive the prize based on a peace agreement with N.Korea, why would Trump deserve it more than the two leaders of those two countries?

Again, if Clinton or Sanders were President and the same actions occurred in North Korea towards disarmament and peace, I can't imagine anyone not clamoring for them to get credit.

Correlation doesn't equal causation, remember? Credit to either of them would depend if they were involved in negotiations. Thus far Trump has done absolutely nothing except tweet threats and play golf. The negotiations that mean anything have been happening behind closed doors between Chine, N.Korea and S. Korea.

[_EAllusion]

Everyone understands Obama won the Nobel Peace Prize as a repudiation of George W. Bush, right? I'm not saying that's a good reason to give out the award, but understanding the context helps understand the "But Obama won..." response to the trollish call for Trump to receive the award.

Awarding Trump the Nobel for essentially threatening nuclear war on Twitter is beyond parody. It reminds me of Roman emperors going to the Olympics and winning all the events. The award already has a so-so past - it is the grammy of Nobels - but that would be comical debasement.

[_EAllusion]

It's also worth keeping in mind that a primary reason N. Korea has nuclear weapons is that the US invaded and overthrew Iraq and figures like Bolton made it clear to N. Korea that they were next. They were literally told that. That's probably a major reason why the nuclear program was reinstated and finished.

And given the disparty between how the Trump admin has treated Iran and N. Korea thus far, it is hard to argue that this wasn't a sound decision. Other nations surely are noticing what it takes to deter the US and garner its respect.

To award any US President for backing out of a nuclear standoff in significant part caused by US actions, and by some of the same peope on the President's team no less, all because that President has threatened to trigger the deaths of millions is a crazy-pants reason for giving them highest possible award for peace.

[_honorentheos]

I doubt Trump would ever be awarded the prize, but I don't see how it's arguable that he doesn't deserve it.

That's crazy, cinepro. What has Trump done to deserve the Nobel Peace prize? So far, the only two actions of any consequence include Kim Jung-un and Moon Jae-in making overtures of peace, and the release of three US hostages by the north. The later is seen as a necessary move on the part of North Korea but also a problematic move that places Kim in the seat of having given something up already to show good will. To say Trump is unarguably deserving - right now on May 15th, 2018 - is just as silly as saying Obama was deserving in 2009. Nothing has actually occurred that makes that reasonable. There is potential is all. If realized, I'd be on board even if the road to get there included a 21st Century Nixonian mad-man approach. But as noted earlier in the thread, until the UN is reporting positive results in watching their nuclear program being dismantled and the DMZ is returned to a normal international border condition it all seems premature.

[_honorentheos]

And given the disparty between how the Trump admin has treated Iran and N. Korea thus far, it is hard to argue that this wasn't a sound decision. Other nations surely are noticing what it takes to deter the US and garner its respect.

Trump's behavior has to be sending bad signals to Iran and other potentially antagonistic nations. Walking away from a treaty negotiated with Iran, all while calling them bad actors on the world stage while speaking highly of Kim who made relentless pursuit of nuclear weapons to the point of starving his own people to do it can't be ignored. It practically demands Iran seek to reinitiate it's nuclear program at any cost if it can't be successful in driving a wedge between the US and our European allies over this issue. With Israel committed to keeping nuclear weapons out of the hands of Iranians, and lacking the equivalent of tons of conventional artillery a stone's throw from Seoul, it also seems likely the outcome will be protracted conflict between the two. Toss in the crazy damned Christians who actually want to see a war with Israel usher in the second coming of Jesus and there is a shit-ton of WTF going on.

Thanks, Obama.

[_Hawkeye]

And now we're getting reports that N. Korea is threatening to pull out of the upcoming summit with Trump.

North Korea reportedly pulling out of high-level talks with South Korea

Talking about counting chickens...

[_subgenius]

Everyone understands Obama won the Nobel Peace Prize as a repudiation of George W. Bush, right?

Wrong. At least according to the Nobel secretary at the time.

[_Hawkeye]

From the Wiki:

The New York Times published a mildly-supportive editorial which said the prize was "a (barely) implicit condemnation of Mr. Bush's presidency. But countering the ill will Mr. Bush created around the world is one of Mr. Obama's great achievements in less than nine months in office. Mr. Obama's willingness to respect and work with other nations is another."

Among those agreeing that the award was a criticism of the Bush administration were the editorial pages of the Los Angeles Times, Wall Street Journal, and Washington Post, as well as Thomas L. Friedman of the New York Times.

I guess it kinda makes sense. Doesn't mean he really did much to earn it aside from not being Bush.

[_Bach]

Those students were probably in their early teens when Obama won the Nobel Prize 9 years ago, so little wonder why they don't know why he won it.

That truly is a relevant observation and crystallizes my very point of a liberal education. Why should we expect these students to research history from waaaay back ago nine years? I mean liberal educators have lowered the bar for years. Why we would we expect these young liberal scholars to research any history before they speak? Especially that which, by liberal standards of a decade old, would be considered ancient history for the snowflake students. God forbid them to have the initiative to take it upon themselves to do any research or thinking on their own when all they’ve been taught is entitlements and activism!

Great point Kevin.