Jersey Girl wrote:Were the access to guns taken away from potential mass shooters, the bodies would only continue to pile up on the suicide side of the stats.
I'm curious where you picked up this idea, Jersey Girl? Male suicide rates have typically been higher than female rates due to the higher use and access to firearms by males when they attempt suicide while suicide attempt rates have historically been higher for females. The idea that taking away guns would lead to an increase in suicides seem detached from reality. I don't generally think you are detached from reality so this line of thinking is a puzzle.
The world is always full of the sound of waves..but who knows the heart of the sea, a hundred feet down? Who knows it's depth? ~ Eiji Yoshikawa
Jersey Girl wrote:Were the access to guns taken away from potential mass shooters, the bodies would only continue to pile up on the suicide side of the stats.
You would see a real decline in murders and suicides since guns are the more effective way to kill oneself. Males are also more likely to pick a gun to kill themselves then women. Solving access will not solve the whole problem but it is an important step.
Our youth are slaughtering themselves. Until we have the answers to the WHY and begin addressing the answers by developing interventions, it doesn't matter if it's a mass shooter or some kid hanging himself or overdosing herself at home.
The body count will continue to rise.
This is something being talked about a lot and governments have been trying different ways to better address these problems. The problems are very complex but they are not being ignored.
honorentheos wrote: Jersey Girl - Let's be real. There's no way you went to a high school in Jersey and didn't see male AND female aggression, power dynamics, and all the ____ that comes with being a teen on full display. You really think that's the soft target for finding a solution?
Do you want a list of causal factors?
Sure.
The world is always full of the sound of waves..but who knows the heart of the sea, a hundred feet down? Who knows it's depth? ~ Eiji Yoshikawa
Child suicides are often undertaken impulsively, with unlocked firearms they find at home. Tyler found the gun he used in a nightstand drawer; other children and teens have killed themselves with guns they found in closets and under beds. Because guns are more lethal than any other method of suicide, a child who attempts suicide with a gun is likely to die; approximately 90% of gun suicide attempts end in death. But when children can’t access guns in their moment of crisis, they are much less likely to die—even if they attempt suicide by another method.
The world is always full of the sound of waves..but who knows the heart of the sea, a hundred feet down? Who knows it's depth? ~ Eiji Yoshikawa
Jersey Girl wrote:How about you make one at the same time as I do? Compare notes.
Honestly? I already said that's a red herring in my view. Kids use violence to express themselves at different levels for a plethora of reasons. I think the entire idea that this is where the solution space lies is crazy talk.
Gun culture and changes in the relationship with guns is not exactly an easy change, either. But the people advocating for protecting the 2nd amendment are the ones best positioned to tackle that issue and aren't in favor of trying to make the problem about everything other than firearms. That's BS.
The world is always full of the sound of waves..but who knows the heart of the sea, a hundred feet down? Who knows it's depth? ~ Eiji Yoshikawa
Then what accounts for the rate of youth suicide in the US?
Huh? Guns are a real issue for more then just suicides and as honorentheos has mentioned they are one of the ways people kill themselves, and since they are more effective you get more successful suicides. I have already said these are complex issues, and that there are people trying to address them with some success. Youth suicide has always been higher then other age groups all over the world, but they are also very complex issues to understand and address.
Themis wrote: but they are also very complex issues to understand and address.
No ____, really?
This is probably why it is easier for many non-experts to look at simpler ways to reduce the number of fatalities with better gun control. Why not put some focus at something we know will save many innocent lives?