Jersey Girl wrote:He didn't give a salute, he returned a salute. It's a courtesy upon greeting akin to civilians shaking hands. He's totally within boundaries to return a salute of an officer of a friendly nation and under the circumstances, his returning the salute was totally appropriate.
Umm ...
Umm...they exchanged salutes and then exchanged handshakes.
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Honestly, what would you have had him do, Hawkeye? Flip the officer off?
Shake his hand? Acknowledge him with a nod? Do nothing? There are plenty of options that avoid flipping him off. You've decided to make it a false choice between insulting him or falling to his knees and giving him a blowjob, which as Doc Cam has helpfully reminded us, isn't illegal.
EAllusion wrote:Shake his hand? Acknowledge him with a nod? Do nothing? Their are plenty of options that avoid flipping him off. You've decided to make it a false choice between insulting him or falling to his knees and giving him a blowjob, which as Doc Cam has helpfully reminded us, isn't illegal.
Honestly, what would you have had him do, Hawkeye? Flip the officer off?
Shake his hand? Acknowledge him with a nod? Do nothing? Their are plenty of options that avoid flipping him off. You've decided to make it a false choice between insulting him
Thank you for explaining my decision. Thank Jesus that you are here to tell us what our motivations, purpose, and thinking are. I used flipping him off as a metaphor for insulting him. Pay attention to the video sequence. He simply returned a salute and then shook his hand. Had he nodded instead of returning the salute, it would have created an awkward moment. As it took place, the interaction went smoothly and congenially. Which is what, I believe, President was after and he accomplished that.
or falling to his knees and giving him a blowjob, which as Doc Cam has helpfully reminded us, isn't illegal.
There was exacty no reason for you to include sexual content in your reply to me.
Failure is not falling down but refusing to get up.
Chinese Proverb
Honestly, what would you have had him do, Hawkeye? Flip the officer off?
Shake his hand? Acknowledge him with a nod? Do nothing? There are plenty of options that avoid flipping him off. You've decided to make it a false choice between insulting him or falling to his knees and giving him a blowjob, which as Doc Cam has helpfully reminded us, isn't illegal.
There's the ea we know and love. I ask a simple question and he immediately thinks of fellating another man.
Whatever floats your degenerate mind, bro.
That said, I don't see an issue with our Commander in Chief returning a military courtesy afforded him by a high ranking NK General. If anything, it was a very savvy and diplomatic thing to do.
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Every record...falsified, every book rewritten...every statue...has been renamed or torn down, every date...altered...the process is continuing...minute by minute. History has stopped. Nothing exists except an endless present in which the Ideology is always right.
I find blow up over this faux pas a little overdone. Just like Obama's 'bow'. Neither gesture was protocol, but I think both gestures could be sort of autonomic polite responses. I think it is the cumulative effect of all of the other gestures of respect the summit entails that brings additional significance to it.
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A reliable link to the video is (for the moment) HERE.
North Korean state television aired a 42-minute documentary on Thursday that offered a different view of Kim Jong Un's meeting with President Trump in Singapore.
Notably, the documentary appears to have captured several scenes that international news organizations missed — including one awkward moment when Trump was saluted by a North Korean military leader. The U.S. president then salutes in return.
Though only a brief interaction, it was telling that the salute was included in the documentary, according to Jean H. Lee, a North Korea scholar at the Woodrow Wilson Center in Washington.
“This is a moment that will be used over and over in North Korea’s propaganda as 'proof' that the American president defers to the North Korean military,” Lee said. “It will be treated as a military victory by the North Koreans.”
MeDotOrg wrote:I find blow up over this faux pas a little overdone. Just like Obama's 'bow'. Neither gesture was protocol, but I think both gestures could be sort of autonomic polite responses. I think it is the cumulative effect of all of the other gestures of respect the summit entails that brings additional significance to it.
Yup. Trump gave:
1. A big propaganda win to Kim by treating him as an equal. 2. A huge bonus by cancelling joint military exercises with the South Korean military, something the DPRK has always hated.
Trump got:
0. Well, nothing substantive at all in return.
The great deal-maker ...
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Thank you for explaining my decision. Thank Jesus that you are here to tell us what our motivations, purpose, and thinking are. I used flipping him off as a metaphor for insulting him. Pay attention to the video sequence. He simply returned a salute and then shook his hand. Had he nodded instead of returning the salute, it would have created an awkward moment. As it took place, the interaction went smoothly and congenially. Which is what, I believe, President was after and he accomplished that.
Lol. Yeah, there was nothing awkward about that exchange. It's not an insult for the president not to salute hostile generals. And if it were, that might be a time not be in appeasement mode. More realistically, the general saluted because that's what he's used to, Trump went in for a handshake - perhaps one of his 80's corporate motivational speaker power shakes - and a misunderstanding ensued. They reversed roles with Trump not realizing in the moment saluting is a bad look. Not the end of the world, but not praiseworthy either.
There was exacty no reason for you to include sexual content in your reply to me.
One of us got the metaphorical nature of the false choice you presented.
Hawkeye wrote:Obama barely nodded to a Saudi and the Right Wing had a meltdown. Our commander in-chief gives a military salute to an officer of a despot. But they're cool with that.
I don't know if a "salute" is better or worse than a "bow", but I too thought back to the brouhaha over Obama "bowing":
That set aside, this does raise an interesting thought about Trump's visit with Kim. If the summit were with an actual, respected President of the USA, then I would probably be paying a lot more attention to it. If it were Obama, or Bush, or Clinton, or Bush, or Reagan, or Carter...I would probably feel like the office had been a little diminished to have our President stooping to the level of a tin-pot dictator from a fourth-world country.
But to me, this feels like two tin-pot dictators playing "summit" together (and the awful "movie trailer" didn't help). This may lead to Peace in the East (Asia), but for now, I just can't get excited about it.
