Trump's War on Children

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Re: Trump's War on Children

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Jersey Girl wrote:1. Given the fact that Jeff Sessions announced on May 7th of this year, that all those who crossed the border illegally (without appropriate documentation) accompanied by minor children, would be separated from the children, do you agree or disagree that when adults chose to cross the border without documentation and accompanied by minor children, effectively chose separation for those children?

2. When adults crossing the border with minor children without proof of their relationship to the child(ren), is it your position that the children should remain with the adults and where do you contend they should be housed as families?

Jersey Girl, to the first question, you could easily make that argument if all of the folks arriving at the border and requesting asylum have heard, with confidence of its accuracy, Sessions' statement. But it's fair to also recognize that a good number of these folks may not have heard about the change. Perhaps they were already committed and halfway through the journey. At least it's safe to flippantly assume that they aren't all appropriately outfitted with smartphones and iPads and watching news updates along the way.

To the second question - did Sessions differentiate between types of documentation when threatening to split parents from minors upon arrival at the border? Is the question of having a birth certificate to present to border officials even a consideration that would assure that minors are kept with their parents? I haven't found anything that addresses this in the information that I've run across.

Regardless, isn't the actual question whether or not the change in the manner of charging those arrested at the borders was necessary? Is it your opinion that the change is more related to a concern for the welfare of children housed by adults, or to present a greater consequence to parents in an attempt to reduce the numbers of those attempting to cross in?

Two more questions related to this:

1. If there is a rational belief that a majority of these children are not actually related to the adults they're arriving with, then why would the Administration bother to use separation as a threat tactic?

2. Even if, what assumed percentage of arrivals artificially posing as families could be tolerated before we must impose a policy of separating all minors from adults upon arrival and arrest?
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Holy “F” is right Jersey Girl. Pulling kids away from their parents to circumvent US law isn't mitigated by having licensed facilities to receive them. And if you want to talk about what you, Jersey Girl can do, it's limited to speaking out not waxing on about the nature of the facilities.

I honestly don't think you can write the simple sentence that clearly acknowledged the Trump admin is harming kids with this policy. It's a damned sentence. But your pride is involved so you can't do that.
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honorentheos wrote:Holy “F” is right Jersey Girl. Pulling kids away from their parents to circumvent US law isn't mitigated by having licensed facilities to receive them. And if you want to talk about what you, Jersey Girl can do, it's limited to speaking out not waxing on about the nature of the facilities.

I honestly don't think you can write the simple sentence that clearly acknowledged the Trump admin is harming kids with this policy. It's a damned sentence. But your pride is involved so you can't do that.


I didn't say holy “F”. I said holy damned crap. That said, yes of course the administration is directly damned with the well being of children. There's no question about it. That I chose to first prioritize addressing the shelters, the selective and sensationalized reporting on the shelters, and issues of parentage doesn't mean that I don't think that children aren't being harmed.

The children were stressed before they ever ventured out on their journey from home, they arrive already stressed and are being subjected to additional stressors because they are being exploited for political purposes.

There is no pride involved for as I told you, I'm hosting tomorrow my time is short, I don't have time to write a book here. I've been a child advocate for 30+ years, my interest is always in following the children and in preserving their safety, security and overall well being.
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canpakes wrote:Jersey Girl, to the first question, you could easily make that argument if all of the folks arriving at the border and requesting asylum have heard, with confidence of its accuracy, Sessions' statement. But it's fair to also recognize that a good number of these folks may not have heard about the change. Perhaps they were already committed and halfway through the journey. At least it's safe to flippantly assume that they aren't all appropriately outfitted with smartphones and iPads and watching news updates along the way.


Absolutely agree.
To the second question - did Sessions differentiate between types of documentation when threatening to split parents from minors upon arrival at the border? Is the question of having a birth certificate to present to border officials even a consideration that would assure that minors are kept with their parents? I haven't found anything that addresses this in the information that I've run across.


I'm frustrated by this and only because (and you know this about me regarding children) I would like more time to carefully and thoroughly respond and I just don't have it right now as I'm ending a long day. I haven't heard any statement by Sessions indicating a difference between how people with/without documentation are being treated. What I think I see happening is Sessions drawing a hard line regarding what he is calling illegal immigrants (was that limited to those crossing between ports of entry? I can't recall at the moment) and stating outright that if they crossed into the country illegally (again, I don't know if he means sans documentation or in between check points and I don't have time to spend viewing his statement right now) and that if their intention was to cross with children, if they wished not to be separated from the children, then don't cross the border illegally.

I can look for information tomorrow evening that I lack at this writing.

Regardless, isn't the actual question whether or not the change in the manner of charging those arrested at the borders was necessary?


Yes.


Is it your opinion that the change is more related to a concern for the welfare of children housed by adults, or to present a greater consequence to parents in an attempt to reduce the numbers of those attempting to cross in?


Without question, it is the latter.

Two more questions related to this:

1. If there is a rational belief that a majority of these children are not actually related to the adults they're arriving with, then why would the Administration bother to use separation as a threat tactic?


I'll be damned if I can second guess Trump. I think because it serves a two fold purpose. It leverages the threat to incoming immigrants and also provides for a LRE for the children who are detained where they are given medical care, nutrition, program/curriculum and I assume, perhaps naïvely, that DNA testing would be part of the package. I will try to replicate the post I had written for Cam and scrapped some time tomorrow when I have time to sit down with it.

I have a better idea how the transition can be accomplished, however, it requires that Trump and Sessions fold on the current policy. Was also in my earlier scrapped post.


2. Even if, what assumed percentage of arrivals artificially posing as families could be tolerated before we must impose a policy of separating all minors from adults upon arrival and arrest?


I don't know the answer to that, cp. I would need more time to think and address. I'd like to know what the conditions were and what the procedure was, prior to this new policy being adopted. The plan in my now scrapped post (and you're going to see exactly why I scrapped it without more time to complete and address the policy) was to keep families together while relationships are confirmed via DNA testing and I have an idea about how to do that that requires additional buildings--perhaps not entirely though, I have an idea about that as well-- and where it becomes infeasible is the point at which the current policy is still goddamn it in place and parents are being charged with criminal offense.

The only way to improve the current situation is for Trump and Sessions to cave and even so, there is a need for additional housing and staff.

Apparently the Southern Baptist Convention is now parting ways with the Repub. Party. Maybe that's a start of the outside pressure that will turn this around.
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I'll pick this up again tomorrow evening unless a quick response is appropriate to something in the next 10 minutes or so. Otherwise I'm out for now.
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Piece on the SBC I mentioned previously. I'll be darned, I thought there was mention of immigration policies but still, it's a start for a large denomination to part ways with Trump like this.

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/ar ... ar/563000/

Mods...not meaning this to be off topic. I had mentioned this in a previous post, so following up on it.
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U.S. interfaith leaders urge government to #KeepFamiliesTogether

The General Minister and President of the United Church of Christ is one of twenty ecumenical and inter-religious leaders who have joined together to call on the United States government to rethink the current immigration policy and stop separating families.

Here is the text of their statement:

Recently, the Administration announced that it will begin separating families and criminally prosecuting all people who enter the U.S. without previous authorization. As religious leaders representing diverse faith perspectives, united in our concern for the wellbeing of vulnerable migrants who cross our borders fleeing from danger and threats to their lives, we are deeply disappointed and pained to hear this news.

We affirm the family as a foundational societal structure to support human community and understand the household as an estate blessed by God. The security of the family provides critical mental, physical and emotional support to the development and wellbeing of children. Our congregations and agencies serve many migrant families that have recently arrived in the United States. Leaving their communities is often the only option they have to provide safety for their children and protect them from harm. Tearing children away from parents who have made a dangerous journey to provide a safe and sufficient life for them is unnecessarily cruel and detrimental to the well-being of parents and children.

As we continue to serve and love our neighbor, we pray for the children and families that will suffer due to this policy and urge the Administration to stop their policy of separating families.

His Eminence Archbishop Vicken Aykazian
Diocesan Legate and Director of the Ecumenical Office
Diocese of the Armenian Church of America

Mr. Azhar Azeez
President
Islamic Society of North America

The Most Rev. Joseph C. Bambera
Bishop of Scranton, Pennsylvania
Chair, Bishops' Committee for Ecumenical and Interreligious Affairs

Senior Bishop George E. Battle, Jr.
Presiding Prelate, Piedmont Episcopal District
African Methodist Episcopal Zion Church

The Most Rev. Michael B. Curry
Presiding Bishop
Episcopal Church (United States)

The Rev. Dr. John C. Dorhauer
General Minister and President
United Church of Christ

The Rev. Elizabeth A. Eaton
Presiding Bishop
Evangelical Lutheran Church in America

The Rev. David Guthrie
President, Provincial Elders' Conference
Moravian Church Southern Province

Mr. Glen Guyton
Executive Director
Mennonite Church USA

The Rev. Teresa Hord Owens
General Minister and President
Christian Church (Disciples of Christ)

Rabbi Rick Jacobs
President
Union for Reform Judaism

Mr. Anwar Khan
President
Islamic Relief USA

The Rev. Dr. Betsy Miller
President, Provincial Elders' Conference
Moravian Church Northern Province

The Rev. Dr. J. Herbert Nelson II
Stated Clerk
Presbyterian Church (USA)

Rabbi Jonah Pesner
Director
Religious Action Center of Reform Judaism

The Rev. Don Poest
Interim General Secretary
The Rev. Eddy Alemán
Candidate for General Secretary
Reformed Church in America

Senior Bishop Lawrence Reddick III
Presiding Bishop, The Eighth Episcopal District
Christian Methodist Episcopal Church

The Rev. Phil Tom
Executive Director
International Council of Community Churches

Senior Bishop McKinley Young
Presiding Prelate, Third Episcopal District
African Methodist Episcopal Church

#KeepFamiliesTogether

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‘America is better than this’: What a doctor saw in a Texas shelter for migrant children

The small shelter along the Texas border to Mexico held 60 beds and a little playground for children. Rooms were equipped with toys, books and crayons. To Colleen Kraft, this shelter looked, in many ways, like a friendly environment for children, a place where they could be happy.

But the first child who caught the prominent pediatrician’s attention during a recent visit was anything but happy. Inside a room dedicated to toddlers was a little girl no older than 2, screaming and pounding her fists on a mat. One woman tried to give her toys and books to calm her down, but even that shelter worker seemed frustrated, Kraft told The Washington Post, because as much as she wanted to console the little girl, she couldn’t touch, hold or pick her up to let her know everything would be all right. That was the rule, Kraft said she was told: They’re not allowed to touch the children.

“The really devastating thing was that we all knew what was going on with this child. We all knew what the problem was,” Kraft said. “She didn’t have her mother, and none of us can fix that.”

The girl had been taken from her mother the night before and brought to this shelter that had been redecorated for children under age 12, Kraft said staffers told her.

The little girl is among the multitude of immigrant children who have been separated from their family as part of the Trump administration’s “zero-tolerance” policy, meaning any adult who crosses the border illegally will face criminal prosecution. That also means parents were taken to federal jails while their children were sent to shelters.

Nearly 2,000 immigrant children were separated from their parents during six weeks in April and May, according to the Department of Homeland Security.

Kraft, president of the American Academy of Pediatrics, said colleagues who were alarmed by what was going on at the border invited her to see for herself, so she visited a shelter run by the Office of Refugee Resettlement.

“We needed to see what was happening and tell the country and the world about it,” she said.

One thing immediately became clear to Kraft: Those who work at this shelter, whom she declined to name for privacy reasons, were doing what they could to make sure the children’s needs are met. The children were fed; they had beds, toys, a playground and people who change their diapers. But there are limits to what workers could do. Not only could they not pick up or touch the children; they could not get their parents for them.

“The really basic, foundational needs of having trust in adults as a young child was not being met. That contradicts everything we know that the kids need to build their health,” Kraft said.

Such a situation could have long-term, devastating effects on young children, who are likely to develop what is called toxic stress in their brain once separated from caregivers or parents they trusted. It disrupts a child’s brain development and increases the levels of fight-or-flight hormones in their bodies, Kraft said. This kind of emotional trauma could eventually lead to health problems, such as heart disease and substance abuse disorders.

Kraft and her organization are not alone in this opinion.

“While not all of the children we are ripping from their parents will suffer the full consequences of toxic stress, many may,” child psychologist Megan Gunnar of the University of Minnesota told BuzzFeed News.

“The age of the child matters,” Gunnar said. Children under age 10 are of deep concern, she said. “Those under 5 should get us all running around with our hair on fire to get this practice stopped.”

Nearly 4,600 mental-health professionals and 90 organizations have joined a petition urging Trump, Attorney General Jeff Sessions and several elected officials to stop the policy of separating children from their parents. The petition says:

These children are thrust into detention centers often without an advocate or an attorney and possibly even without the presence of any adult who can speak their language. We want you to imagine for a moment what this might be like for a child: to flee the place you have called your home because it is not safe to stay and then embark on a dangerous journey to an unknown destination, only to be ripped apart from your sole sense of security with no understanding of what just happened to you or if you will ever see your family again. And that the only thing you have done to deserve this, is to do what children do: stay close to the adults in their lives for security.


It further says: “To pretend that separated children do not grow up with the shrapnel of this traumatic experience embedded in their minds is to disregard everything we know about child development, the brain, and trauma.”

As of Thursday, 11,432 migrant children are in the custody of the Department of Health and Human Services, up from 9,000 at the beginning of May. These numbers include minors who arrived at the border without a relative and children separated from their parents.

The policy so far has pushed shelters to their capacity. Administration officials had started making preparations to hold immigrant children on military bases. On Thursday, the Trump administration said it will house children in tents in the desert outside El Paso.

Though the policy has been enacted and touted by his own administration, Trump has avoided publicly owning it and, instead, blamed Democrats on Twitter for “forcing the breakup of families at the Border with their horrible and cruel legislative agenda.”

Health and Human Services blames Congress, saying its inability to pass legislation on border security “created perverse and dangerous incentives for illegal border crossings and child smuggling.”

For Kraft, lost in the partisan wrangling and finger-pointing was the long-term impact on children.

“As partisan and as divisive as the whole topic of immigration is, we need to start with what’s right,” she said. “Can we start with just keeping parents and children together while we figure out some of the other details?”

“The kids need to come first,” she added. “America is better than this.”
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This is our President flat out lying to the faces of the American people and he does so with clear intent to deceive. He knows there is no "Democrat law" requiring him to tear children away from their parents. It isn't a law at all, it is a new policy his administration implemented. But hey, just start pointing fingers, say "fake news" and move along. Nothing to see here, right? Blame the Left in all things and his idiot followers will swallow it. The folks in the media holding his feet to the fire on this deserve our respect, Trump deserves nothing but scorn because he is scum of the earth.

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For those of you keeping score at home, on this issue One-eye is all about the government heeding the counsel of religion, but on the issue of abortion the government should 180 on the value of children/family and heed the separation of church and state. As usual the dismal policy of the Democratic party where liberals pick/choose when a child's life, and "family" is only as important as it is politically convenient.

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