Trump's War on Children

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Re: Trump's War on Children

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canpakes wrote:
subgenius wrote:no, but the women have the freedom to dispose of that unborn fetus...well, not all them now.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/mobile.reu ... SKCN1J01RB

Well, then. An irrelevant derail, followed by a weak attempt to rationalize it.

You’d have at least tangentially connected to the discussion if you had linked to some Biblical passages that speak out against abortion, I suppose.

Biblical references mean nothing to you so why would citing them be useful to you?

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Tangential oh? are you suddenly a born-again stay on topic poster?
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Re: Trump's War on Children

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Jersey Girl wrote:Here's the article my Facebook friend had posted. There's a paywall and I forget how to get around it.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/pos ... raged-now/

When it was posted on Facebook, it's got the photos of the children with foil heat blankets, the same image that is in the link that subgenius posted.

How in the world are we supposed to discern truth?

Here's subgenius' link:

https://qz.com/1291470/photos-immigrant ... r-in-2014/

Which article is true and how do we know?


Jersey Girl, the pics of the kids in the cage are from an article about unaccompanied minors arriving at the border, from 2014. This is not the same issue as children being separated from parents.

https://www.cbsnews.com/pictures/crisis ... gration/8/
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canpakes wrote: unaccompanied minors arriving at the border, from 2014.

unaccompanied but not separated? got it!

by the way, the "issue" is not solely about kids being unaccompanied or separated....its about the horrific kennel like conditions and, as one poster exclaimed, kids being handed over to trafficking or being "lost".
Yet, these are precisely the circumstances under Obama and the poster slept well during those years... but was enraged while he mistakenly thought it was Trump.
But now you would rather believe that what really matters is the politics of it all....nicely done!
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canpakes wrote:
Jersey Girl, the pics of the kids in the cage are from an article about unaccompanied minors arriving at the border, from 2014. This is not the same issue as children being separated from parents.

https://www.cbsnews.com/pictures/crisis ... gration/8/


I know that, cp. I was pointing out that the 2014 pics are being used to portray the living conditions of minors who are being detained today. My post that you quoted and replied to here, was a follow up to my recent post (about 2 posts prior) on half assed reporting.
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unfortunately that crown rests securely on your head. You parade religion around with convenience as if you have any sort of insight or authority on the matter.


I'm not "parading religion around" you asshat, I'm pointing out that the argument from Sessions is baseless, not only from a legal perspective but from a biblical perspective. No biblical authority on the planet supports what he says, but you'll gladly give him a pass because you don't give a flying crap about these kids suffering you only care about carrying out your self-anointed duties as an online warrior for Trumpism.

And then worse, you prop up children to support your ignorance on political policy... where was yourhair-fire in2014 when the same was happening under your beloved bull of a president ya cuckold excuse of an adult.


I was wrong to attribute the lost 1,500 kids to Trump's policies and I can admit that. But you can't say I'm a hypocrite for not complaining about it during Obama because no one knew they were lost until recently. You make it sound like this is apples and apples, as if this were all in the news cycle throughout Obama's two terms and I was just rationalizing it away in some form or another the way you're constantly going to bat for Trump. This isn't true though, and there is no evidence that any of the alleged crimes against minors during Obama were a direct result of any particular policy implemented by Obama. Nor is there any evidence Obama was aware of these things and dismissed them or blamed it on a "Republican law." The exact opposite is true of Trump. He knows of the dire situation, blames Democrats and lies about his role.

You also can't show that I'm a hypocrite for not complaining about some 2014 photograph I never posted to begin with, which apparently shows two sleeping minors who crossed the border unaccompanied; not ripped away from their parents. Nor can you show I'm a hypocrite for not going all "hair fire" during Obama for crimes against immigrant minors that weren't even alleged until May of 2018.

But whatever the situation was in 2014, we now know it is infinitely worse after a year of Trump and we can attribute it directly to his policy which he ignorantly says is a "Democrat law." The fact is Obama never had a zero tolerance policy that required border control to separate children from their parents. That never happened until Trump, and the results are shocking. Women having their babies being ripped from their chests, father's killing themselves as their children are being violently taken from them, children and parents both being intentionally lied to about being reunited, etc. That's all on Trump. And you're part of the problem.
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subgenius wrote:
canpakes wrote: unaccompanied minors arriving at the border, from 2014.

unaccompanied but not separated? got it!

It’s a simple enough concept. I’m glad that you possess at least enough mental firepower to process it.

by the way, the "issue" is not solely about kids being unaccompanied or separated....its about the horrific kennel like conditions and, as one poster exclaimed, kids being handed over to trafficking or being "lost".
Yet, these are precisely the circumstances under Obama and the poster slept well during those years... but was enraged while he mistakenly thought it was Trump.
But now you would rather believe that what really matters is the politics of it all....nicely done!

I can’t vouch for how the pic was sourced. Could’ve been our good friends at 4chan dredging it up and starting the latest meme with it. Nevertheless, the facility pictured was closed long ago, so perhaps the problem was addressed at that time. Given the claimed incompetance of the Obama Administration, they seem to have resolved a matter that the current Trump Administration is now having to find their way out of ... on top of shooting themselves in the foot by enacting and enforcing an unnecessary protocol regarding how border crossers and asylum seekers are processed.

I know that you’re incapable of discussing such things without squealing, “but, Obama..!”. I would have not expected anything different.
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Jersey Girl wrote:
canpakes wrote:
Jersey Girl, the pics of the kids in the cage are from an article about unaccompanied minors arriving at the border, from 2014. This is not the same issue as children being separated from parents.

https://www.cbsnews.com/pictures/crisis ... gration/8/


I know that, cp. I was pointing out that the 2014 pics are being used to portray the living conditions of minors who are being detained today. My post that you quoted and replied to here, was a follow up to my recent post (about 2 posts prior) on half assed reporting.

Jersey Girl, note who posted that pic. ; )
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subgenius wrote:
canpakes wrote: unaccompanied minors arriving at the border, from 2014.

unaccompanied but not separated? got it!

by the way, the "issue" is not solely about kids being unaccompanied or separated....its about the horrific kennel like conditions and, as one poster exclaimed, kids being handed over to trafficking or being "lost".
Yet, these are precisely the circumstances under Obama and the poster slept well during those years... but was enraged while he mistakenly thought it was Trump.
But now you would rather believe that what really matters is the politics of it all....nicely done!

The issue is very much about minors being separated from the parents at the border because that is a new policy being enacted by the Trump administration. The majority of minors who were arriving in 2014 were older adolescent youth who arrived without a parent or legal guardian. The Obama admin rightly received heat for their ill-prepared attempt to do what government is good at doing poorly. That being, not being adaptable to change and kids were the victims of that. The shelters and processes currently in place are largely a result of government doing only what it can do that the private sector cannot. That being, scaling up and applying the resources needed to move big things that would otherwise be too expensive or lack the reward mechanisms to entice private enterprise in a way that also provides a just result. That was going on in 2016, 2017 and is going on today in 2018. And the demand keeps increasing as well.

The Trump campaign has sins all their own when it comes to forcible separation of families because that is new. And it's not mistaken to direct that criticism at Trump.
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Holy crap. I have the perfect solution to this.

People should immigrate legally & then no one is detained!

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Every record...falsified, every book rewritten...every statue...has been renamed or torn down, every date...altered...the process is continuing...minute by minute. History has stopped. Nothing exists except an endless present in which the Ideology is always right.
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Re: Trump's War on Children

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Doctor CamNC4Me wrote:Holy crap. I have the perfect solution to this.

People should immigrate legally & then no one is detained!

- Doc

Asylum seekers need not apply?
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