Trump's War on Children

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Re: Trump's War on Children

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subgenius wrote:so, taking kids out of parent's arms is not the same as taking kids out of parent's arms...got it!


No, you don't get it. Taking kids out of parent's arms is the opposite of putting a kid in his parent's arms. The US government took Elian Gonzalez and returned him to his Father in accordance with international law. For as many times as you idiots on the Right keep bringing up the EG affair from 18 years ago, one would think you had a decent grasp of what it entailed and who was involved.

subgenius wrote:No, enforcing the law is a matter of law..ergo the rather sticky binding ability of the oath of office.


There is no law requiring the government to separate kids from parents. That is a policy implemented by the Trump administration for the admitted purpose of providing a "deterrent." The idea is that we take their offspring and cause them so much agony and pain, that they'd never think to come across that border with them. You know, kinda like something tyrannical dictators throughout history would have done.

subgenius wrote:But i get ya, you were used to Obama having policies for not enforcing laws because it would instagram well. But i get it, on one hand when Obama enforced the law to detain children behind chain link it was ok, BUT when Trump enforced the law and detained children behind chain link it was not ok.


You keep referring to multiple laws that require us to separate children from parents but you cannot name them. I think there is a reason for that. You're just talking out of your Rush Limbaugh sucking arse.

subgenius wrote:So to be clear - exactly what part of the following policy (inasmuch as it applies to a family caught breaking the law) do you find objectionable ? - families are intentionally split up only if a child is determined to be at risk or if a child's parent or legal guardian is referred for criminal prosecution."


Cute, but this ignores plenty... by design most likely.

That answer does not mention the key fact that under the Justice Department's new zero-tolerance policy, all adults found to be crossing the US-Mexico border without authorization are now priorities for criminal prosecution. All such people would therefore have their children taken away.

Nor does this acknowledge that a deliberate increase in prosecutions is what is driving more separations. The Trump administration has at times denied having a specific policy to separate children from parents at the border. Though the government has documented such a policy, some officials, including President Donald Trump, have falsely argued that they are not following a policy but rather have no choice under the law.

Under the Obama administration, immigrants detained at the border with children were released and allowed to remain in the US while their immigration court cases were pending, in what was referred to as "catch and release." Families were also referred for civil deportation proceedings, not criminal, and therefore were not separated.


Substupid, in accordance with idiot Trumpers everywhere, is probably gearing up to drop this "Law" on us.
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Re: Trump's War on Children

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Doctor Steuss wrote:The head of the American Academy of Pediatrics, Dr. Colleen Kraft, toured one of the facilities. She witnessed a little girl (no older than two) having an emotional meltdown. The staff tried to comfort her by giving her toys and books. The one thing they couldn't do, was try to provide any form of physical comfort. The rules prohibit any physical contact.

I'm certain you are well aware of the various studies of lasting impact that type of thing has on social bonding hormones in still-developing brains. Toss in the brain damage caused by prolonged elevated cortisol levels... so many of these children will carry the scars of this for the remainder of their lives.
Emphasis mine. It isn't just the caretakers either, apparently some facilities are banning contact even with siblings.

Doctors Concerned About 'Irreparable Harm' To Separated Migrant Children
From the article wrote:The breaking point for Davidson came, he says, when he was asked to tell two siblings, ages 6 and 10, that they couldn't hug each other. "They called me over the radio. And they wanted to translate to these kids that the rule of the shelter is that they are not allowed to hug," he says. "And these are kids that had just been separated from their mom — basically just huddling and hugging each other in a desperate attempt to remain together." Southwest Key says it has a clear policy that allows touching and hugging in certain circumstances.
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Doctor Steuss wrote:
Jersey Girl wrote:A bit of irony here in the fact that what the administration is doing is psychologically setting up children to become the very types of gang members and criminals that the administration claims to abhor.

Okay that's out of my gut now, too.

The head of the American Academy of Pediatrics, Dr. Colleen Kraft, toured one of the facilities. She witnessed a little girl (no older than two) having an emotional meltdown. The staff tried to comfort her by giving her toys and books. The one thing they couldn't do, was try to provide any form of physical comfort. The rules prohibit any physical contact.

I'm certain you are well aware of the various studies of lasting impact that type of thing has on social bonding hormones in still-developing brains. Toss in the brain damage caused by prolonged elevated cortisol levels... so many of these children will carry the scars of this for the remainder of their lives.


There's more than one story related to how I became involved in early education and why it became a passion. In the general course of events, politically speaking, I have very little to contribute in terms of knowledge, experience, and education, but I am well equipped and empowered to contribute regarding the plight of immigrant/refugee children and how their entry is being handled. I believe that when we ECE professionals are in that position, we in turn, empower children by acting as their voice. In other words, there is more to ECE than most folks assume (it's not all about playdough, though I can turn out a mean batch on the spot, the impact of early education and it's advocates is far reaching) and this is why it becomes a life passion for some of us.

So building on what you stated above. You'll often hear that the first years are the most important years. One of the multitudes of reasons for that is because it is in the first years (0-I'd go 5 years) is when the brain is rapidly developing and the personality along with it. Personality, empathy, moral thinking, etc.

EA, I believe, mentioned children developing RAD. That's not all and I'm sure that if he had more time he would have extended that message. When the young developing brain is confronted with high and sustained levels of cortisol it literally neurologically changes the person that s/he is and will become. We want to think in terms of personality development, attachment and bonding, and the real possibility and predictability of personality disorders. And later in life such things as heart disease.

Adults understand that cortisol is responsible for their flight or fight response. Children (who have no personal power) in this situation have no other choice but to flee by turning inward, disassociating, effectively shutting down in order to survive it. These are the children whom you've read about in reports who have experienced chronic abuse the result of which are persons who develop multiple personality disorder, borderline, sociopathy and the like.

And that's exactly why I chose to point out the irony of what Trump is doing when weighed against his comments, for example, about MS13 "animals".

Regarding the prohibition of touch. That's one of the things that pretty much set me off last night when I read about it and created a kind of cascading snowball reaction from me and why further reports about Trump and others that I read earlier this morning had me swearing my ass off. Still am. That's me rearing back ready to land a punch. In this case, a communication/correspondence punch.

Listen, there are ways to provide comfort to a child without setting yourself up for allegations of abuse. I practiced them myself when interacting with sad, scared, and grieving children. There are ways to address their emotional despair in order to reassure and help them work through their angst.

These bastards don't have a clue what they are doing, they weren't prepared for the children and probably never were. I see it now. My reps on both sides of the aisle are going to hear from me as soon as I have time to sit with my message and line it up tonight. And if I can find an email contact for Sessions, he'll be getting a copy of his own.

Dear _____, I am a registered Republican who voted for Obama. My vote goes where I tell it to go so keep that in mind as you are reading...

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Re: Trump's War on Children

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Going to have to shut down here due to incoming storm. I want to share something with all of you from my world.

When I was a boy and I would see scary things in the news, my mother would say to me, 'Look for the helpers. You will always find people who are helping. To this day, especially in times of disaster, I remember my mother’s words, and I am always comforted by realizing that there are still so many helpers -- so many caring people in this world." ~ Fred Rogers

My MDB friends and adversaries,

Who will you be? Will you be someone who remains silent or will you be a visible helper in the lives of immigrant/refugee children? Know that when and if you choose to call and write to your representatives, sign petitions, or contribute money to organizations, that while the children will never know your name, they will see you in the resulting impact to their life and well being.

The children are being used as pawns in a political game. While political adults are playing their games, children are suffering. The impact of which has the potential to change who they are and what they will become. Minor children have no personal power. How much power do you have?

Will you remain silent or will you show yourself to be a helper who gives them hope in their despair?

More than sincerely,

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Jersey Girl wrote:...and how Democrats want an immigrant INFESTATION

Describing human beings as an infestation has been used many times to justify genocide. Who has time for a witchhunt when there are bugs to kill?

Lately I've been thinking that while it may be interesting, it really isn't necessary to deconstruct Trump. The more he feels cornered, the more he reveals his true nature.
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MeDotOrg wrote:
Jersey Girl wrote:...and how Democrats want an immigrant INFESTATION

Describing human beings as an infestation has been used many times to justify genocide. Who has time for a witchhunt when there are bugs to kill?

Lately I've been thinking that while it may be interesting, it really isn't necessary to deconstruct Trump. The more he feels cornered, the more he reveals his true nature.


Jews were compared with rats in the famous Nazi propaganda film.

Liberals are the new Jews. America First has a history. Choosing the term wasn't a coincidence, in my opinion.

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I mentioned previously that Ted Cruz is working on something. He's probably one of the few people who has any idea regarding logistics and feasibility of reconfiguring accommodations so he's got that going for him in spades. Here it is.

http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/3928 ... t-families


From the article:

Homeland Security Secretary Kirstjen Nielsen defended the practice at the White House press briefing on Monday, saying "Congress alone can fix it," despite the policy only recently being enacted by the administration.


Trump could end it with the stroke of a pen.

And Sessions who talks out of both sides of his mouth needs to go.
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What they need to do (once congress kicks Trump and Sessions ass) (and this was in my previously scrapped post using numbered shelters as an example) is install a system that includes additional shelters.

Shelter 1 & 2: assigned expressly to accommodate families. DNA testing can be done on sight, paperwork whatever needs doing, and let Southwest Key Services (SKS) get in there and provide for children--program, medical, therapeutic support.

Shelter 3 & 4: The children who are unaccompanied minors who crossed independently, stay in the converted Walmart operated by SKS, an additional building designated if needed.

Shelter 5 & 6: Adults who cross without children, independently. This could be military installations, troop tents, whatever can be scrounged up on the spot to accommodate adults only.

Configure the numbered shelters according to need and designated purpose, add on as needed.


All processing done at the shelters. Go with this type of model. End to it.
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Jersey Girl wrote:A bit of irony here in the fact that what the administration is doing is psychologically setting up children to become the very types of gang members and criminals that the administration claims to abhor.

Okay that's out of my gut now, too.


They're forcing the kids to be raised by single mothers?

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Doctor CamNC4Me wrote:
Jersey Girl wrote:A bit of irony here in the fact that what the administration is doing is psychologically setting up children to become the very types of gang members and criminals that the administration claims to abhor.

Okay that's out of my gut now, too.


They're forcing the kids to be raised by single mothers?

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I don't know why you are asking me this question when I explicitly referred to the psychology of children.

Lemme know and I'll engage.
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