Trump's War on Children
-
- _Emeritus
- Posts: 13326
- Joined: Thu Sep 01, 2011 12:50 pm
Re: Trump's War on Children
meanwhile consumer protections become clouded behind huge hair fire smokescree......
Seek freedom and become captive of your desires...seek discipline and find your liberty
I can tell if a person is judgmental just by looking at them
what is chaos to the fly is normal to the spider - morticia addams
If you're not upsetting idiots, you might be an idiot. - Ted Nugent
I can tell if a person is judgmental just by looking at them
what is chaos to the fly is normal to the spider - morticia addams
If you're not upsetting idiots, you might be an idiot. - Ted Nugent
-
- _Emeritus
- Posts: 11784
- Joined: Sun Oct 24, 2010 1:11 am
Re: Trump's War on Children
France called. They want their statue back.
"And I dreamed I was dying
And I dreamed that my soul rose unexpectedly
And looking back down at me
Smiled reassuringly
And I dreamed I was flying
And high up above my eyes could clearly see
The Statue of Liberty
Sailing away to sea
And I dreamed I was flying"
Paul Simon "American Tune"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZCmgKSUXH18
"And I dreamed I was dying
And I dreamed that my soul rose unexpectedly
And looking back down at me
Smiled reassuringly
And I dreamed I was flying
And high up above my eyes could clearly see
The Statue of Liberty
Sailing away to sea
And I dreamed I was flying"
Paul Simon "American Tune"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZCmgKSUXH18
This, or any other post that I have made or will make in the future, is strictly my own opinion and consequently of little or no value.
"Faith is believing something you know ain't true" Twain.
"Faith is believing something you know ain't true" Twain.
-
- _Emeritus
- Posts: 6315
- Joined: Sat Aug 11, 2012 6:17 am
Re: Trump's War on Children
One of the chief architects of Trump's infamous "Zero Tolerance Policy" was apparently Stephen Miller, a xenophobic racist, who makes no effort to hide his contempt and hatred for all immigrants, whether legal or not. At least one GOP lawmaker has called on Trump to fire Miller over the family separation snafu.
ETA: The Outrage Over Family Separation Is Exactly What Stephen Miller Wants,
A Republican lawmaker is calling on President Donald Trump to fire White House senior adviser Stephen Miller, who played a significant role in the administration’s contentious “zero tolerance” immigration policy, in which families have been separated at the southern border.
“The President should fire Stephen Miller now,” Rep. Mike Coffman (R-Colo.) posted on Twitter on Thursday afternoon. “This is a human rights mess. It is on the President to clean it up and fire the people responsible for making it.”
ETA: The Outrage Over Family Separation Is Exactly What Stephen Miller Wants,
For President Trump’s senior adviser, the public outrage and anger elicited by policies like forced family separation are a feature, not a bug.
When the news stories began to surface last month of sobbing young migrant children being forcibly removed from their parents at the border, many close White House watchers instantly suspected Stephen Miller was behind it.
Though he keeps a relatively low profile compared to the cast of camera-muggers and Twitter warriors in President Donald Trump’s orbit, the 32-year-old speechwriter and senior adviser has cultivated a reputation as the most strident immigration hawk in the West Wing. So, it came as little surprise when The New York Times reported over the weekend that Miller had played a key behind-the-scenes role in advancing the new border policy:
“No nation can have the policy that whole classes of people are immune from immigration law or enforcement,” he said during an interview in his West Wing office this past week. “It was a simple decision by the administration to have a zero tolerance policy for illegal entry, period. The message is that no one is exempt from immigration law.”
… Privately, Mr. Miller argued that bringing back “zero tolerance” would be a potent tool in a severely limited arsenal of strategies for stopping migrants from flooding across the border … And in April, after the border numbers reached their zenith, Mr. Miller was instrumental in Mr. Trump’s decision to ratchet up the zero tolerance policy.
But while Miller’s influence on this issue is a matter of documented fact, his motives remain somewhat murkier. Why exactly is he using his perch to champion a measure that’s so unpopular that it’s opposed by fully two-thirds of Americans? Theories abound, of course—ranging from ideology to incompetence to xenophobia—but they are almost all products of distant speculation.
No precept or claim is more likely to be false than one that can only be supported by invoking the claim of Divine authority for it--no matter who or what claims such authority.
“If you make people think they're thinking, they'll love you; but if you really make them think, they'll hate you.”
― Harlan Ellison
“If you make people think they're thinking, they'll love you; but if you really make them think, they'll hate you.”
― Harlan Ellison
-
- _Emeritus
- Posts: 6315
- Joined: Sat Aug 11, 2012 6:17 am
Re: Trump's War on Children
‘Stephen Miller Should Be Fired,’ California Congressman Says
Stephen Miller’s Third Grade Seat Mate Recalls A Little Boy With Problems
Democratic Rep. Alan Lowenthal (D-California) called for the firing of White House aide Stephen Miller over his spearheading of family separation and the bungled “zero-tolerance” immigration policy.
Lowenthal — whose district covers Long Beach, just south of where Miller grew up in Santa Monica — called for the conservative firebrand’s ouster on June 22, two days after President Donald Trump buckled to pressure and rescinded his family separation policy while House Republican leaders were still trying to secure enough votes to pass an immigration bill.
“Separating children and their parents is traumatic, brutal, and un-American. The images of detention facilities, of cages and chain link fences, are heartbreaking. As a community psychologist, I know just how harmful it can be. Family separation is wrong, and the American people know it. It’s inhumane. And in spite of the President’s efforts to stoke fears of mass immigrant crime, it’s unnecessary,” Lowenthal told the Forward in a statement.
Stephen Miller’s Third Grade Seat Mate Recalls A Little Boy With Problems
Stephen Miller’s third grade classmate vividly remembers sitting next to him in school — divided by a piece of tape Miller put down to separate them.
In an essay for Politico, John Muller recalls how it was hard to get through to young Miller, now a senior White House adviser known widely as the harsh face of the Trump administration’s “zero tolerance” immigration policy, which has separated children from their parents at the border.
“He was frequently distracted, vacillating between total disinterest in everything around him … and complete obsession with highly specific tasks that could only be performed alone,” Muller wrote.
His obsessions, Muller noted, included tape and glue. Miller had placed a piece of white masking tape down the middle of their shared desk, “explaining that it marked the boundary of our sides and that I was not to cross it.”
Muller details the tape as a grimy distraction, with Miller constantly picking away at it until it was time to lay down another, repeating instructions not to cross it.
Today, in the midst of the crisis at the border, Miller is still advocating to build a wall on the Mexican border to keep out immigrants.
“He thought he was trying to keep out the chaos of the world,” Muller writes, “when really he was looking for a way to explain away the chaos on his own side of the desk. For that was where chaos had always been.”
No precept or claim is more likely to be false than one that can only be supported by invoking the claim of Divine authority for it--no matter who or what claims such authority.
“If you make people think they're thinking, they'll love you; but if you really make them think, they'll hate you.”
― Harlan Ellison
“If you make people think they're thinking, they'll love you; but if you really make them think, they'll hate you.”
― Harlan Ellison
-
- _Emeritus
- Posts: 6914
- Joined: Wed Oct 25, 2006 2:56 am
Re: Trump's War on Children
Before the zero tolerance policy, less than 10% of illegal entrants were criminally prosecuted. Why not? Because there is a cheap, expedited process to send them back. Zero tolerance means a huge increase in the need for prosecutors and judges, not to mention the cost of keeping all those folks in prison. Why not continue to use the expedited removal process and devote resources to speeding up the process for hearing asylum claims?
I'm still perpelexed as to why we have to permit illegal immigrants a foothold in the country with judges, jails, and legal arguments. Build the wall! Then you won't have to pay for lawyers, judges, jails, or separate children from parents. The wall certainly worked for Israel.
And when the confederates saw Jackson standing fearless as a stone wall the army of Northern Virginia took courage and drove the federal army off their land.
-
- _Emeritus
- Posts: 6315
- Joined: Sat Aug 11, 2012 6:17 am
Re: Trump's War on Children
ajax18 wrote:I'm still perpelexed as to why we have to permit illegal immigrants a foothold in the country with judges, jails, and legal arguments. Build the wall! Then you won't have to pay for lawyers, judges, jails, or separate children from parents. The wall certainly worked for Israel.
That is not nearly as perplexing as your irrational, blind faith that the wall will be anything close to an effective deterrent against determined, illegal immigrants.
No precept or claim is more likely to be false than one that can only be supported by invoking the claim of Divine authority for it--no matter who or what claims such authority.
“If you make people think they're thinking, they'll love you; but if you really make them think, they'll hate you.”
― Harlan Ellison
“If you make people think they're thinking, they'll love you; but if you really make them think, they'll hate you.”
― Harlan Ellison
-
- _Emeritus
- Posts: 10274
- Joined: Fri Oct 05, 2012 11:37 pm
Re: Trump's War on Children
ajax18 wrote:Before the zero tolerance policy, less than 10% of illegal entrants were criminally prosecuted. Why not? Because there is a cheap, expedited process to send them back. Zero tolerance means a huge increase in the need for prosecutors and judges, not to mention the cost of keeping all those folks in prison. Why not continue to use the expedited removal process and devote resources to speeding up the process for hearing asylum claims?
I'm still perpelexed as to why we have to permit illegal immigrants a foothold in the country with judges, jails, and legal arguments. Build the wall! Then you won't have to pay for lawyers, judges, jails, or separate children from parents. The wall certainly worked for Israel.
A person seeking asylum is not an illegal immigrant. They are using a legal process specifically approved by US law. The modern asylum process was enacted after World War II in response to people fleeing the Nazis. Of course, we don’t have to do any of this. After all, the US turned a ship full of Jews away when they were fleeing the Nazis, and that turned out just fine. Well, unless you were on the ship.
I wasn’t aware that the wall in Israel was built to keep folks from illegally immigrating to Israel.
“The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or the dedicated communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and fiction, true and false, no longer exists.”
― Hannah Arendt, The Origins of Totalitarianism, 1951
― Hannah Arendt, The Origins of Totalitarianism, 1951
-
- _Emeritus
- Posts: 21663
- Joined: Mon Jun 15, 2009 11:02 am
Re: Trump's War on Children
In the face of madness, rationality has no power - Xiao Wang, US historiographer, 2287 AD.
Every record...falsified, every book rewritten...every statue...has been renamed or torn down, every date...altered...the process is continuing...minute by minute. History has stopped. Nothing exists except an endless present in which the Ideology is always right.
Every record...falsified, every book rewritten...every statue...has been renamed or torn down, every date...altered...the process is continuing...minute by minute. History has stopped. Nothing exists except an endless present in which the Ideology is always right.
-
- _Emeritus
- Posts: 487
- Joined: Fri Mar 09, 2018 11:45 pm
Re: Trump's War on Children
Yep. And?
From CNN on June 12:
Agents were searching people before they were taken into vans to be driven to a processing center. John Moore, a Getty photographer and Pulitzer Prize winner, took the picture after the toddler’s mother set her down.
“One of the last people to get on the bus was the mother of this child and her daughter together” he told CNN’s Ana Cabrera. “And when they went to body-search (the mother) against the vehicle, they asked her to put down her child. And right then, in that moment, the little girl broke into tears.
“It’s not unusual for toddlers in any circumstance to have separation anxiety. But I think this particular situation with the separation of families leads and gives a new meaning to that phrase.”
From USA Today June 19:
Moore, who speaks Spanish, spoke with the girl’s mother briefly before border patrol agents took them away. The mother told Moore they are from Honduras and traveled over a month before rafting over the Rio Grande from Mexico to arrive at the U.S. border in Texas, according to CNN.
U.S. Customs and Border Protection confirmed on [19 June 2018] that the mother and child are together.
From USA Today June 21:
U.S. Customs and Border Protection confirmed earlier this week that the mother and child are together, but the photograph has become a national symbol of the heartbreak some families are facing as they enter the U.S.
Time staff said in a statement the image was selected to become part of the July 2 magazine cover to illustrate “the most visible symbol of the immigration debate in America.”
From Snopes:
Although Moore said that his intent was to capture a “picture that conveyed the emotional impact of family separations,” neither he nor the outlets reporting his work claimed the mother and child were separated. From the beginning, Moore and news sites said outright that the mother and child had departed the checkpoint together.
I'd be more concerned about fake news created from whole cloth. The point of the "Left" remains valid and well substantiated. We know for a fact that children were suffering and many were torn from their parents under Trump's zero-tolerance policy.
A photograph from Drudge showing Syrian refugee boys playing with toy guns, suggesting they are Mexicans at our border, would be a prime example of fake outrage and deceptive tactics.
-
- _Emeritus
- Posts: 487
- Joined: Fri Mar 09, 2018 11:45 pm
Re: Trump's War on Children
This Alternative To Detaining Immigrant Families Works. Trump Just Won’t Use It.
There are much better options than taking kids from their parents or locking them up together.
The way the Trump administration talks about it, you’d think there are only two ways to respond to families crossing into the U.S. illegally: either separate kids from their parents while the adults are tried as criminals or put entire families into indefinite detention.
But there’s an alternative approach that’s cheaper, more humane and incredibly effective. The Trump administration just doesn’t want to use it.
The Family Case Management Program, which President Donald Trump ended several months after taking office, was meant to keep track of immigrant parents and kids in removal proceedings without having to keep them locked up. It was relatively small ― about 950 families in five locations. But it was hugely successful: More than 99 percent of families in the program showed up for their court dates, and 97 percent participated in required check-ins with their case managers, according to a report from Geo Care, the private prison company that operated the program. And it reportedly cost the government just $36 per family each day, versus $319 per bed per day in a family detention center.
Now, as the Trump administration and Republicans in Congress seek to expand the government’s ability to lock up immigrant families long term, Democrats and immigrant rights advocates are asking why they don’t bring back the alternative program in an expanded version.
“In both bills the plan is to incarcerate families,” Rep. Zoe Lofgren (D-Calif.) told HuffPost. “To put mothers in cages with toddlers, as if that’s the only alternative, which clearly it is not. Unless your intention is to be punitive and harsh and punish people before seeking asylum.”
The FCMP was meant for people deemed too vulnerable for detention, such as pregnant or nursing women or families with special needs children. It required families to be briefed on their responsibilities in the immigration court process, which can be complicated, and to check in regularly with Immigration and Customs Enforcement and their case manager. Case managers referred families to services — such as lawyers and children’s school enrollment — and, if they received a deportation order in court, helped them prepare to return to their native country.
It was a success story for alternatives to detention, according to experts who served on an advisory committee for the program.
“The message is if you do this kind of frequent and fairly intensive case management, you can get almost 100 percent compliance,” said Randy Capps, the director of research for U.S. programs at the nonpartisan Migration Policy Institute. “You don’t have to detain people.”
ICE abruptly shut down the program last June with little explanation for advisory committee members, some of them said. They were simply told at a meeting that it would be their last.
Agency spokeswoman Sarah Rodriguez said in a statement that ICE discontinued the program after determining that other alternatives to detention “proved to be a much better use of limited resources” with similar rates of compliance. She added that “removals of individuals on [alternatives to detention] occur at a much higher rate” than the FCMP.
“There are no plans to reinstate the FCMP at this time,” she said.
That method for assessing the program doesn’t make sense, said another former member of the FCMP advisory committee, Michelle Brané, the director of the migrant rights and justice program at the Women’s Refugee Commission. The FCMP wasn’t in effect long enough for many of the participants to complete their removal proceedings, she said. She added that the program’s purpose was to ensure immigrants went to their removal hearings and that whether those hearings resulted in relief or deportation was irrelevant.
“The program’s efficacy shouldn’t be assessed by removals because if people are getting legal help and qualify [for relief], then that’s not a removal, but it is full compliance,” she said. “That means their system works.”
Another ICE spokesman, Matthew Bourke, said in an email that removals were “a relevant way to determine the program’s effectiveness” because a key reason ICE created the program “was to promote participant compliance with immigration obligations which included final orders of removal.”
He said that immigrants monitored under other alternatives to detention comply with court hearings more than 99 percent of the time and with check-ins almost 98 percent of the time.
But it’s unclear whether expanding alternatives to detention is part of Trump’s plan to address the issue of families arriving at the U.S.-Mexico border. It’s certainly not one he has boosted. His executive order this week, which he said would stop routine family separations for unauthorized immigrant families, presented only detention as an option.
Immigrant rights advocates are pushing for policymakers to remember that detention isn’t the only p.
“ICE has a whole range of alternatives to detention,” said Ashley Feasley, a former advisory committee member and the director of policy at the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops’ migration and refugee services. “These are existing programs that could be implemented now in lieu of building large-scale family-child detention facilities.”
There are much better options than taking kids from their parents or locking them up together.
The way the Trump administration talks about it, you’d think there are only two ways to respond to families crossing into the U.S. illegally: either separate kids from their parents while the adults are tried as criminals or put entire families into indefinite detention.
But there’s an alternative approach that’s cheaper, more humane and incredibly effective. The Trump administration just doesn’t want to use it.
The Family Case Management Program, which President Donald Trump ended several months after taking office, was meant to keep track of immigrant parents and kids in removal proceedings without having to keep them locked up. It was relatively small ― about 950 families in five locations. But it was hugely successful: More than 99 percent of families in the program showed up for their court dates, and 97 percent participated in required check-ins with their case managers, according to a report from Geo Care, the private prison company that operated the program. And it reportedly cost the government just $36 per family each day, versus $319 per bed per day in a family detention center.
Now, as the Trump administration and Republicans in Congress seek to expand the government’s ability to lock up immigrant families long term, Democrats and immigrant rights advocates are asking why they don’t bring back the alternative program in an expanded version.
“In both bills the plan is to incarcerate families,” Rep. Zoe Lofgren (D-Calif.) told HuffPost. “To put mothers in cages with toddlers, as if that’s the only alternative, which clearly it is not. Unless your intention is to be punitive and harsh and punish people before seeking asylum.”
The FCMP was meant for people deemed too vulnerable for detention, such as pregnant or nursing women or families with special needs children. It required families to be briefed on their responsibilities in the immigration court process, which can be complicated, and to check in regularly with Immigration and Customs Enforcement and their case manager. Case managers referred families to services — such as lawyers and children’s school enrollment — and, if they received a deportation order in court, helped them prepare to return to their native country.
It was a success story for alternatives to detention, according to experts who served on an advisory committee for the program.
“The message is if you do this kind of frequent and fairly intensive case management, you can get almost 100 percent compliance,” said Randy Capps, the director of research for U.S. programs at the nonpartisan Migration Policy Institute. “You don’t have to detain people.”
ICE abruptly shut down the program last June with little explanation for advisory committee members, some of them said. They were simply told at a meeting that it would be their last.
Agency spokeswoman Sarah Rodriguez said in a statement that ICE discontinued the program after determining that other alternatives to detention “proved to be a much better use of limited resources” with similar rates of compliance. She added that “removals of individuals on [alternatives to detention] occur at a much higher rate” than the FCMP.
“There are no plans to reinstate the FCMP at this time,” she said.
That method for assessing the program doesn’t make sense, said another former member of the FCMP advisory committee, Michelle Brané, the director of the migrant rights and justice program at the Women’s Refugee Commission. The FCMP wasn’t in effect long enough for many of the participants to complete their removal proceedings, she said. She added that the program’s purpose was to ensure immigrants went to their removal hearings and that whether those hearings resulted in relief or deportation was irrelevant.
“The program’s efficacy shouldn’t be assessed by removals because if people are getting legal help and qualify [for relief], then that’s not a removal, but it is full compliance,” she said. “That means their system works.”
Another ICE spokesman, Matthew Bourke, said in an email that removals were “a relevant way to determine the program’s effectiveness” because a key reason ICE created the program “was to promote participant compliance with immigration obligations which included final orders of removal.”
He said that immigrants monitored under other alternatives to detention comply with court hearings more than 99 percent of the time and with check-ins almost 98 percent of the time.
But it’s unclear whether expanding alternatives to detention is part of Trump’s plan to address the issue of families arriving at the U.S.-Mexico border. It’s certainly not one he has boosted. His executive order this week, which he said would stop routine family separations for unauthorized immigrant families, presented only detention as an option.
Immigrant rights advocates are pushing for policymakers to remember that detention isn’t the only p.
“ICE has a whole range of alternatives to detention,” said Ashley Feasley, a former advisory committee member and the director of policy at the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops’ migration and refugee services. “These are existing programs that could be implemented now in lieu of building large-scale family-child detention facilities.”