Sarah Sanders kicked out of Virginia Restaurant

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Re: Sarah Sanders kicked out of Virginia Restaurant

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Themis wrote:
ajax18 wrote:In America it's perfectly fine to discriminate against people for holding conservative beliefs or working for a Republican president but not ok to ask someone to leave if he is black or gay.


But it is ok to not bake someone a cake right?

your point being that hypocrisy on the right is worth condemnation and mockery - whereas hypocrisy on the left is only worth changing the subject to hypocrisy on the right.
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Re: Sarah Sanders kicked out of Virginia Restaurant

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subgenius wrote:your point being that hypocrisy on the right is worth condemnation and mockery - whereas hypocrisy on the left is only worth changing the subject to hypocrisy on the right.


Yet I already made a post condemning her being refused service.
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Re: Sarah Sanders kicked out of Virginia Restaurant

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Why is she eating out at a restaurant in the first place. Shouldn't she be on a diet?
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Re: Sarah Sanders kicked out of Virginia Restaurant

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DarkHelmet wrote:Why is she eating out at a restaurant in the first place. Shouldn't she be on a diet?

We're just gonna lock this one in...

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Re: Sarah Sanders kicked out of Virginia Restaurant

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A quick Google Search showed the Chick-fil-A in Lexington, Virginia that would have been happy to satisfy the culinary needs of Sanders and her family...unless it was God's day --- then the heathens would have to eat hens at another establishment.

This past week Trump cancelled a White House picnic that traditionally had been a place for Democrats and Republicans to put aside their differences for an afternoon. Trump said "it didn't feel right".

There is not a spirit of cumbaya echoing throughout the land. It is worse than during the 60's.

My feelings about this are not as simple as thumbs up or thumbs down...well maybe they are:

Thumbs up: Sarah Sanders was denied service for what she does, not what she believes. Every day she goes out and promotes lies, obfuscations and does everything in her power to denigrate the free press. She is the mouthpiece for demonstrably the biggest liar to ever hold the office of President. I totally get the impulse of the owner. The Sanders were free to go to another restaurant, unlike applying for a marriage license in Kentucky. One thing about the Trump Administration is that the personnel live inside a Fox bubble. It's good for them to experience the world that exists in between Trump rallies.

Thumbs down: It tracks with the general lack of civility in this country right now. That type of action does not lower the tension, it will raise it.

If people stop serving people because of what their T-shirt says, then we will have some problems.

I disagree with what what you say sir, but I will defend to the death your right to say it" doesn't say you have to feed Sarah Sanders. This is about disagreeing with what you say, every day after day.
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Re: Sarah Sanders kicked out of Virginia Restaurant

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MeDotOrg wrote:I disagree with what what you say sir, but I will defend to the death your right to say it" doesn't say you have to feed Sarah Sanders. This is about disagreeing with what you say, every day after day.

I disagree. :)

Seriously, I don't feel either party is a natural home for my beliefs or values any more. The actions of this restaurant owner remind me of other places that bother me with the left side of the political spectrum. Attacks on free speech, thuggish violence, classism and moral prudishness that rivals that of the religious right have become deeply rooted in quarters where Trump, Nazis, and Big <insert industry> are collectively understood to be villains requiring no explanation for what makes them such. At some point, it seems the explanation is getting so buried that one can very easily end up looking very similar to the other side because one isn't concerned with what it actually is that makes them deserving of resistance or opposition.

She walked into a business seeking to do commerce. The business is quoted as claiming they would not serve her because she worked for the President. Maybe they said something else, but as far as what is reported that seems very much like discrimination based on affiliation. It's anti-democratic. And, yeah, I disagree that it is justified. It's bad for the direction of the nation, and worse still it demonstrates a lack of underlying values beyond affiliation.
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Re: Sarah Sanders kicked out of Virginia Restaurant

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Not serving her was poor form.

I do not agree with her political speech, if she was eating at a table in the same eatery I would not have to listen to her.
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Re: Sarah Sanders kicked out of Virginia Restaurant

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honorentheos wrote:
MeDotOrg wrote:I disagree with what what you say sir, but I will defend to the death your right to say it" doesn't say you have to feed Sarah Sanders. This is about disagreeing with what you say, every day after day.

She walked into a business seeking to do commerce. The business is quoted as claiming they would not serve her because she worked for the President. Maybe they said something else, but as far as what is reported that seems very much like discrimination based on affiliation. It's anti-democratic. And, yeah, I disagree that it is justified. It's bad for the direction of the nation, and worse still it demonstrates a lack of underlying values beyond affiliation.

Perhaps it was put to her that the reason she was asked to leave was that she works for the President, but the reality is because she chooses to be the face of the administration that she experiences the consequences.

She is now down to the level of saying, "I only know what I am told to say".

When a reporter asked Sanders to address her claim from last August that President Donald Trump did not dictate his son Donald Trump Jr.’s statement on a controversial Trump Tower meeting—which contradicts information from a leaked letter to Russia probe special counsel Robert Mueller—Sanders refused to answer about matters “dealing with the outside counsel.”

"I think you all know I'm an honest person who works extremely hard to provide you with accurate information at all times," Sanders said during her daily press briefing.


I say again: Donald Trump is demonstrably the biggest liar to hold the Presidency. The word demonstrably is intentional. Part of of is that as media gets more digital, it is easier to cross-check a President's statements, but Trump is a moving fountain of mistruths. Look at what he has said in the past week about the border crisis: That is is the law, that he hates the law, that it is the Democrats' fault, that Congress must pass legislation to fix it, but that the legislation must include funding for the border wall. In addition he told reporters the problem could not be fixed by executive order.

After then signing the executive order he had said would not fix the problem, the President said this would "make a lot of people happy". He then said that the Democrats "manufactured phony stories of sadness and grief".

That's what her boss did in one week. This is the man she goes out and defends day after day. This is not an Stevenson supporter refusing to serve someone with an Eisenhower button. Sarah Huckabee Sanders defends the crimes of her boss day after day on television. To me this is more like someone having the guts to refuse service to Joseph McCarthy. Yes, he was a Republican, but standing up to him had nothing to do with party affiliation.

It strikes me that what America looks like is a distant mirror of what America would have looked like if Joseph McCarthy had wrested control of the party from the Eisenhower Republicans. Trump is out tonight making his usual highbrow arguments against Wacky Jacky and Pocahontas. Roy Cohn would have been proud.

Trump has actually said that he is more presidential than anyone other than Lincoln. In his Inaugural, Lincoln said "“We are not enemies, but friends. We must not be enemies. Though passion may have strained, it must not break our bonds of affection. The mystic chords of memory will swell when again touched, as surely they will be, by the better angels of our nature.”

Trump has always appealed to the worst angels of our nature. He uses lies and hyperbole to whip up fear of the other. Donald Trump wanted to shake up the norms, the established order. This is the President who fantasizes about NFL team owners firing their players for kneeling because it is too upsetting, but will use the suffering of forced family separations at the border as a bargaining chip to get Democrats to fund the border wall he said would be paid for by Mexico. The mouthpiece for a President that gives billions in tax breaks to the rich, slashes social services to the poor, and demonstrably tells more lies than there are days in his Presidency, has staffed agencies with incompetent and corrupt cronies, is willing to undermine the public trust in agencies charged with investigating his potential crimes, and that is before we get to Stormy Daniels, Karen McDougal, Summer Zervos et al (whoever is in the Cohen files).

This is not Ronald Reagan or a Bush, Dole, Kemp, McCain or Romney. This is Donald Trump. He is different. The people who serve him are different. Those people don't think so, because they live inside a bubble. Puncturing that bubble is not necessarily bad.
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Re: Sarah Sanders kicked out of Virginia Restaurant

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Themis wrote:
ajax18 wrote:Sanders says she was told by the owner of The Red Hen in Lexington, Virginia, that she had to "leave because I work for @President and I politely left."

I would leave as well. I usually try to avoid food tainted with bodily fluids.

Because restaurant employees are low lifes who would do this, everyone knows what kind of scum they are, if they weren't low lifes they'd have real jobs.
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Re: Sarah Sanders kicked out of Virginia Restaurant

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café crema wrote:Because restaurant employees are low lifes who would do this, everyone knows what kind of scum they are, if they weren't low lifes they'd have real jobs.


I think that working in a restaurant, whether kitchen side or service side, is a really demanding job most of the time. I don't know what you classify as a 'real job', but it certainly provides an essential service in the modern world, and people don't choose it because it is easy money.

On the other hand, I would always think it better to avoid provoking or insulting the staff of a restaurant where I am eating, because:

1. [99% of the reasons] That kind of confrontation spoils most of the pleasure of eating a meal prepared and served by others, and in general I find that a little time invested in being nice to often overworked and underpaid service staff pays a big dividend in reciprocal niceness. And in any case (as the Buddhists know) being nice to someone else is good for you, whatever the reaction.

2. [1% of the reasons] The huge majority of restaurant staff are decent people who would not degrade themselves by giving customers dirty food. But the risk that one might get a nasty reaction from a few rare individuals is yet another reason for being polite and friendly, quite apart from the reasons in (1). If you have a complaint to make, and it will keep to the end of the meal, make it then. Or if the complaint is really serious and can't wait, make it and go elsewhere to eat.
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