Trump's War on Children

[_honorentheos]

In other news, apparently Trump does not believe in the rule of law. Color me shocked.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/immigr ... al-n886141

President Donald Trump tweeted Sunday morning that the U.S. “Cannot accept all of the people trying to break into our Country” and called for migrants to be "immediately" deported without a trial.

“When somebody comes in, we must immediately, with no Judges or Court Cases, bring them back from where they came,” he said. His tweet did not mention people coming to the U.S. to seek asylum, which is legal to do.

"Our system is a mockery to good immigration policy and Law and Order," he said, adding in another tweet that legal entry to the country should be based on “merit.”

Immigration advocates pushed back on the comments. “What President Trump has suggested here is both illegal and unconstitutional. Any official who has sworn an oath to uphold the Constitution and laws should disavow it unequivocally,” said Omar Jadwat, director of the ACLU’s Immigrants’ Rights Project.

[_ajax18]

You just insist on remaining stupid and can't seem to get your head out of Brietbart's ass. More immigrants doesn't affect you whatsoever unless you're a licensed contractor working odd jobs. Everyone else benefits tremendously.

Hawkeye you've lived abroad and surely understand how many poor and desperate people there are around the world. Just to be clear, do you really think immediately letting in the entire population of Central America, South America, the Philippines, and most of Africa would be a net benefit to the US economy. In your opinion would raising taxes on the rich leave more than enough money to pay for the social services necessary to provide all these people an American standard of living that they've come for?

[_honorentheos]

Ajax, something more to consider is the President's history as a real estate mogul. In many ways, "The Wall" is the political equivalent of the Taj Mahal in Atlantic City where Trump is falling back on what he knows and does best: Exploiting others and spending their money for his own gain in ways that will leave them on the hook for an unmitigated financial disaster as he moves on to cannibalize other ventures elsewhere. No one who legitimately deals with border security including the border state governors want the wall. Nor do the majority of experienced border security experts believe it will be effective. Most people familiar with construction believe it will grossly overrun projected costs, and given the impact of the Trump tariffs on current construction costs he's added even more to that problem.

There is no valid fiscal conservative defense for Trump's immigration approach.

[_Maksutov]

Trump seeks the expansive powers and Constitution rending prerogatives of a FDR without a comparable national emergency to justify it. Lincoln also reached beyond the accepted bounds of the executive in suspending habeas corpus but a civil war was a far, far greater threat than the present situation. Trump wants the power of a national crisis president and is willing to manufacture crises to achieve it.

[_Res Ipsa]

If a person feels there is no form of asylum seeking that's legitimate, and only approves of limited immigration that fails to improve on our existing immigration practise, that person is going to be frustrated with reality no matter which aspect of it one points out. It seems that's the boat you're in.

Honorentheos the rise in asylum applications is at 1700%. These asylum laws just don't seem affordable no matter how high you raise taxes.

I'm really not trying to be disrespectful. This is an honest question because I heard your reasoning repeated by Senator Russell (R) on Fox News and it floored me to hear it from his mouth. When you say that if we let in more immigrants we'd have less of a problem with illegal immigration that just doesn't make any sense to me. The number of desperate immigrants around the world seems almost infinite and is only getting bigger. We're one country that still has more people than jobs which pay a living wage. Poor nations continue to grow in population at exponential rates. Surely you understand this do you not? What am I missing?

One thing I think you are missing is that these are complex issues that involve cost/benefit tradeoffs no matter what we choose. You choose to look at only one side of the equation -- the side that portrays immigration as a cost. Adding population does two things: it increases the pool of folks looking for work and it increases the demand for goods and services that, in turn, leads to job creation. Moreover, as the birthrate for current U.S. citizens continues to drop and the average age of our population continues to rise, immigrants bring more younger, working age folks into the economy. They offset one of the labor trends that seems to worry you -- reduced labor force participation.

[_Res Ipsa]

You just insist on remaining stupid and can't seem to get your head out of Brietbart's ass. More immigrants doesn't affect you whatsoever unless you're a licensed contractor working odd jobs. Everyone else benefits tremendously.

Hawkeye you've lived abroad and surely understand how many poor and desperate people there are around the world. Just to be clear, do you really think immediately letting in the entire population of Central America, South America, the Philippines, and most of Africa would be a net benefit to the US economy. In your opinion would raising taxes on the rich leave more than enough money to pay for the social services necessary to provide all these people an American standard of living that they've come for?

Who, exactly, is proposing that everyone in these places move to the U.S., let alone immediately?

[_Res Ipsa]

In other news, apparently Trump does not believe in the rule of law. Color me shocked.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/immigr ... al-n886141

President Donald Trump tweeted Sunday morning that the U.S. “Cannot accept all of the people trying to break into our Country” and called for migrants to be "immediately" deported without a trial.

“When somebody comes in, we must immediately, with no Judges or Court Cases, bring them back from where they came,” he said. His tweet did not mention people coming to the U.S. to seek asylum, which is legal to do.

"Our system is a mockery to good immigration policy and Law and Order," he said, adding in another tweet that legal entry to the country should be based on “merit.”

Immigration advocates pushed back on the comments. “What President Trump has suggested here is both illegal and unconstitutional. Any official who has sworn an oath to uphold the Constitution and laws should disavow it unequivocally,” said Omar Jadwat, director of the ACLU’s Immigrants’ Rights Project.

This was the most discouraging thing I've heard Trump say in a while.

[_canpakes]

This was the most discouraging thing I've heard Trump say in a while.

I don’t think I’ve ever seen a contemporary American politician work so hard to promote and amplify the worst attitudes and behaviors from within the public. But the real disappointment is how many folks are so eager to join in the race to the bottom.

[_ajax18]

Adding population does two things: it increases the pool of folks looking for work and it increases the demand for goods and services that, in turn, leads to job creation.

If that were true, immigrants could stay in their own countries and earn the same type of living. We have a limited amount of capital and can absorb a limited number of immigrants at a time without seriously reducing the standard of living for US citizens. Do we have a right to limit the number of immigrants coming into the country or not?

[_subgenius]

We need borders to remain a sovereign state. But the borders can and should be managed humanely. Both right and left have to come together to make this work. Throwing partisan memes at eachother isn't cutting it. Same with all of the other major problems we have.

How is denying entry of tens millions of impoverished immigrants relevant to our sovereignty by enforcing an invisible line?

- Doc

its relevant in the same way that you can go out to your front lawn and see that there are no squatters pitching tents in hopes of doing the chores at a cheaper price than your kids who don't want to take out the garbage or mow the grass....or clean your pool.