Fear of the Left . . .

[_Kevin Graham]

Another old racist white woman going off on Mexicans in a most tolerant manner: https://fox5sandiego.com/2018/06/26/you ... other-son/

#MAGA

[_Maksutov]

I think Conservatives have a very deep fear of Liberals. I just learned [violation of Universal Rule #3 deleted]. Some might say that it was a hair fire reaction of the former to being outed by the latter, but I would say it's because Stalin killed millions of people.

- Doc

Some of the lib/con conflict is simply misreading urban and rural cultures. It's deeply stupid to set up culture wars that pit the city against the town. That's an inherent tension in American government that's a feature, not a bug, and we should not exacerbate it into pathology. Some of it is resentment over class and education, some of it is about traditional role models.

[_Kevin Graham]

And we can't forget the upper class lawyer who spends his spare time harassing minorities on the street.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/16/nyre ... video.html

This guy goes off on a racist rant at airport: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_a-NSz_CzIM

Another white woman at Walmart showing her racist ass: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SQlQHw-GuGI

But hey, I'm sure all these folks on the receiving end are just MS-13.

[_Doctor CamNC4Me]

I just know this is an example of real violence compared to most of what is on Ajax's britfart list.

Please explain how this:

http://abc7.com/suspects-caught-on-vide ... k/3719016/

can be used to rebut Ajax's list. You'd have to link these people to right-wing movements or ideologies. I mean if you're pulling an EA and suggesting the Black folks who did this were emboldened by Trump's White supremacy be my guest. It doesn't make sense unless you really, really, really need it to.

- Doc

[_Xenophon]

I think Themis's point had less to do with the left vs right dichotomy of Ajax's post and more to do with how loosely he was applying the term violence and persecution, but maybe I'm wrong.

ETA: EA made a similar point in highlighting the kind of hate journalists receive regardless of where they fit on the political spectrum.

[_EAllusion]

EAllusion,

Why is it always the White Man's fault with you? Self-loathing aside, there's been a long and mistrustful history rife with violence between Blacks and Mexicans in California. Then again that's the White Man's fault, too. Amirite or amirite?

- Doc

Not "white man's fault" but, you know, active white supremacy in our society stoking racial animus. I don't blame white people generally for that. I blame people like Ajax and Donald Trump. How do you explain the large uptick in violence towards latinos sense Trumpism became a thing? What separate phenomenon occurred in that time frame that explains this in terms of interracial conflict between blacks and Mexicans that is distinct from alt-right fostered hate?

ETA: It appears you think that black people cannot be affected by dehumanizing, xenophobic, and scapegoating rhetoric towards latinos that is separately motivated by white supremacy. Why on earth would you think that? What about being black immunizes a person from agreement with someone who encouraging them to think that Latinos are a threat to them and don't belong here?

[_Themis]

I just know this is an example of real violence compared to most of what is on Ajax's britfart list.

Please explain how this:

http://abc7.com/suspects-caught-on-vide ... k/3719016/

can be used to rebut Ajax's list. You'd have to link these people to right-wing movements or ideologies. I mean if you're pulling an EAllusion and suggesting the Black folks who did this were emboldened by Trump's White supremacy be my guest. It doesn't make sense unless you really, really, really need it to.

- Doc

I already explained every claim I made.

[Guest]

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[_EAllusion]

Good God! It's so hard to read this garbage!

I wonder what part you think is garbage. That we have active white supremacy in our society? That's hard to believe in a universe where Republicans are currently fielding around at least a half dozen overt neo-Nazi / Nazi sympathizer candidates for Congress this year. Or, you know, that huge segments of the population poll as having significant racial animus and agreement with white supremacist statements. Or is it that I think this stokes racial animus? Or is it that I think increased racial animus, especially when coupled with dehumanizing rhetoric ("infest," "animals," "mostly rapists and drug dealers," etc.) and state sanctioned violence increases violence based on racial status? Or is it that you deny there is a large uptick in violence against Latinos in the past 2 years because you don't trust the data? Or is it that you think it is unreasonable to causally connect that with a pervasive political movement that we would expect to stoke racial animus?

I don't think any of these leaps are even a little bit hard to see or controversial, which is why it is hard for me to understand why you think it's not only wrong, but unconscionable to say. Trump, Miller, Brietbart, and superfriends are emboldening racist violence such that individual acts of racist violence are at least somewhat more likely to occur because of that. If you find that offensive to say, you might think why you find fairly obvious truth to be so offensive to say.

[_Doctor CamNC4Me]

What separate phenomenon occurred in that time frame that explains this in terms of interracial conflict between blacks and Mexicans that is distinct from alt-right fostered hate?

ETA: It appears you think that black people cannot be affected by dehumanizing, xenophobic, and scapegoating rhetoric towards latinos that is separately motivated by white supremacy. Why on earth would you think that?

It appears you're unfamiliar with the long and unfortunately violent history between California Blacks and Mexicans. Why on earth do you need to make this somehow the fault of Trump's racism? I mean, I can get on board that Blacks now feel emboldened to be more overtly bigoted toward Mexicans because the current climate of immigration enforcement gives wind to their resentments. But to displace fault from Black animosity to White supremacy is cynical at best and race mongering at worst.

- Doc