Fear of the Left . . .

[_EAllusion]

The US's per capita income is in the middle of the pack compared to comparable Western democracies. It's behind places like Ireland, Norway, and Switzerland, about on par with places like Germany and the Netherlands, and somewhat ahead of places like the UK and Japan.

Wealth inequality is particularly high in the US, so other measures of income and standard of living averages tend to be worse. Our health outcomes are abysmal for a wealthy nation.

The US is not remarkably advanced in economic success compared to the various flavors of liberal democracies with capitalist economies out there. It's only such an economic powerhouse because it's got a large population thanks to its land size and historical immigration patterns. China is overtaking the US in overall economic might because it's got about a billion more people, but the US vastly outperforms it on a per capita basis. There's more to what makes an economy run well than the size of a nation.

There's very little the US is the best or in the upper echelon of at this point. Free speech rights, maybe. University system, definitely. What we typically think of as America a beacon of it's currently falling apart in. It may not even be appropriate to call it a true liberal democracy at this point. It's sad. You can still be patriotic while not being delusional about its place in the world.

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[_honorentheos]

I believe informative is the word you're looking for, ceebs.

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[_Doctor CamNC4Me]

Here's update on the permanent resident Mexican who was savaged by a black woman, because of white people or Trump or something:

https://www.yahoo.com/news/suspect-arre ... 35820.html

The reported incident occurred on July 4, and a witness told The Washington Post they saw a black woman push the man, Rodolfo Rodriguez, to the ground and hit him. She reportedly yelled at the man, “Go back to your country.”

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The woman then recruited a group of men to join the beating by telling them that Rodriguez was trying to steal her daughter, who was with her during the attack, Rodriguez said.

A GoFundMe campaign started by Rodiguez’s family to pay for his medical expenses had raised $248,307 — far exceeding the $15,000 goal — as of Wednesday morning.

One will note most of the donations on the GoFundMe page are by Caucasians who're clearly at fault for perpetuating an environment in which black women feel entitled to brain Mexican nonagenarians with bricks.

- Doc

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[_Chap]

Caucasians who're clearly at fault for perpetuating an environment in which black women feel entitled to brain Mexican nonagenarians with bricks.

If their vote helped Trump to get in, well yes, they have encouraged the growth of anti-hispanic resentment, even hatred, to which black people are no more immune than whites. But I doubt that many whites like that subscribed.

If they did not vote Trump, well maybe they are just decent people who feel ashamed of what their fellow-Americans did. Sounds good to me.

And on subscribing in general: since whites tend to have more money than other ethnicities, it wouldn't surprise me to find that they are among the more generous donors to any good cause.

[_EAllusion]

The Justice Department recently released a report that last year hate crimes in California spiked 17% overall and by 52% against Hispanics/Latinos specifically. It is the third straight year of double digit increases. Anti-Muslim and Anti-Jewish hate crimes came in about 25% higher. The rate of increase may be masked by pervasive under-reporting by local California law enforcement, but that's the official data.

https://www.sacbee.com/news/politics-go ... 93440.html

While Doc seems to find it impossible that this is related to a national political movement fomenting out-group resentment with a focus on Hispanics/Latinos and Muslims, it should be noted that all mainstream expertise quoted in articles on this report take it as obvious.

While you can't say any one attack is specifically because of Trumpism, you can say with some confidence that attacks like it are now more likely to occur because of it. That some white people donated to a go-fund-me doesn't mean white supremacist rhetoric being injected into the political mainstream has no impact on behavior.

And despite clear denial of his false claim that anyone is blaming white people collectively for the existence of a white supremacist influenced movement stoking racial resentment, DocCam chooses to respond to this point by again trying to reduce it into that strawman.

[_Doctor CamNC4Me]

Wait. So statistics are accurate and reliable indicators of racial animus? This will not end well for EA's position that statistics aren't good indicators of racial behaviors nor motivations.

For example, in 2014 Trump and White sypremacists created an atmosphere of such hostility toward California Latinos that they experienced a homicide rate at over 2x that of Whites:

http://homicide.latimes.com/post/report-latinos-crime/

Whites were, of course, 100% responsible for that. I wonder what kind of socialist libertarian policies we ought to have implemented in 2014 to prevent a black woman from braining a Mexican nonagenarian in 2018?

- Doc

[_Chap]

I wonder what kind of socialist libertarian policies we ought to have implemented in 2014 to prevent a black woman from braining a Mexican nonagenarian in 2018?

How about not promoting hate and scapegoating? Would that do?

Oddly, minorities that are used to being hated and scapegoated are quite often easily persuaded to hate another group and scapegoat them. Perhaps its a bit like the fact that child abusers have a considerable likelihood of having been abused as children themselves?

It would be nice if long experience of being despised and made the subject of mistreatment and oppression produced saintly forgiving personalities, but for some reason it doesn't seem to work that way.