Fear of the Left . . .

[_EAllusion]

People are cross-pressured in so many different ways when making voting decisions that it's hard to blame them for every trait a candidate has if they voted for that candidate. Few get to vote for exactly what they want. On top of that, there's also problems with predicting how a candidate will behave when you vote for them. Many people who voted for Obama thought they were voting for a rebuke of George W. Bush War on Terror policies and instead got a reinforcement of them.

All that said, Trump was so overt in inflammation of racist resentment, particularly towards Mexican immigrants and Muslims, that a vote for Trump should probably be viewed at least as indifference to that. The voter might not like the fact that Trump does that, but they almost certainly don't care enough that he does it to not help him take power. A white supremacist is fine so long as he promises lower taxes. It's hard not to condemn that indifference. Trump wasn't subtle.

If a candidate I would've really liked was the Republican nominee, say Justin Amash, but for whatever reason he also ran on Trump style racial resentment, I'd have to not vote for him because that trait ought to be disqualifying. The only thing I can say in defense of Trump voters, racist or no, is that voting does almost nothing to help a candidate win power and is largely a symbolic act. Our condemnation should be proportional to that.

[_EAllusion]

Eta: EAllusion & Chap thinking themselves clever just provided an object lesson on why the Right fears the Left. In this case, I think the Right is justifiably wary of the Left.

- Doc

Ah yes, "racism and xenophobia are bad" is now a leftist position.

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[_EAllusion]

Hey Ceeboo. Do you believe that radical Muslim Imams who encouarge terrorist violence can be condemned if others engage in terrorist violence in response? Or is your view that perpetrators deserve sole condemnation just specically focused on when Mexican-Americans get beat up?

Heck, do you think it is beyond the pale to even discuss how hateful rhetoric may have a causal role in increases in violence? Or, again is this only off the table when Republicans do it?

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[_Doctor CamNC4Me]

Eta: EAllusion & Chap thinking themselves clever just provided an object lesson on why the Right fears the Left. In this case, I think the Right is justifiably wary of the Left.

- Doc

Ah yes, "racism and xenophobia are bad" is now a leftist position.

Notice yet again how ea sidesteps any solution that his socialist libertarianism would magically introduce, blame shifts the racism and xenophobia which alleviates the criminal from personal accountability. The only people that can ever be truly guilty in our comrades' warped and perverse world view are white males who introduced a system of oppression which must be overthrown, and who enjoy a white male CIA privilege that forever victimizes everyone else (on a sliding scale of course).

I guess we'll be celebrating another 4 years of a Trump presidency the way this is going...

- Doc

[_Maksutov]

Hey Ceeboo. Do you believe that radical Muslim Imams who encouarge terrorist violence can be condemned if others engage in terrorist violence in response?

The complete insanity continues.............

Radical muslim Imams who encourage terrorist attacks is now being compared with millions of white American citizens who voted for Trump and a black woman who brutally attacked a Mexican man in his 90's with a cement block! Clearly, your head must have met a John Deer tractor tire too!

Or, again is this only off the table when Republicans do it?

In my mind, this stuff is way too important for you to put on your social justice cape and attempt to reduce it all down to political partisanship accusations. I won't tolerate that kind of infantile nonsense without letting you know that it is infantile nonsense!

Ceebs, did you even read your own OP? "Political partisanship accusations" all the way, dude. It looks like you're losing your sheet. You'd better stick to gifs and memes. Chap and EAllusion are getting under your skin because they're using arguments you aren't able to counter. You need to rethink your approach. Or just call me some names and run. But I think you're better than that.

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[_EAllusion]

Notice yet again how EAllusion sidesteps any solution that his socialist libertarianism would magically introduce, blame shifts the racism and xenophobia which alleviates the criminal from personal accountability. The only people that can ever be truly guilty in our comrades' warped and perverse world view are white males who introduced a system of oppression which must be overthrown, and who enjoy a white male CIA privilege that forever victimizes everyone else (on a sliding scale of course).

I guess we'll be celebrating another 4 years of a Trump presidency the way this is going...

- Doc

EA: Encouraging dehumanizing racism seems like a good explanation for the huge increase in racist crimes we are seeing.

Doc: Cuck! Can't explain how anarcho-syndicalism creates a post-racial utopia, can you? This is why Trump won. How can someone not vote for white supremacists in the face of this? Someone fetch me my fainting couch.

[_EAllusion]

Hey Ceeboo. Do you believe that radical Muslim Imams who encouarge terrorist violence can be condemned if others engage in terrorist violence in response?

The complete insanity continues.............

Radical muslim Imams who encourage terrorist attacks is now being compared with millions of white American citizens who voted for Trump and a black woman who brutally attacked a Mexican man in his 90's with a cement block! Clearly, your head must have met a John Deer tractor tire too!

Or, again is this only off the table when Republicans do it?

In my mind, this stuff is way too important for you to put on your social justice cape and attempt to reduce it all down to political partisanship accusations. I won't tolerate that kind of infantile nonsense without letting you know that it is infantile nonsense!

You are employing a specific argument that only the people who commit acts of violence may be condemned for the violence happening. People who encouraged it or fostered a mentality that led to it are off the table. Me, recognizing that you probably are only saying this out of convienence and don't really believe it, asked if you actually apply this idea consistently.

The answer is no, you don't, but also that you're very mad.