Fear of the Left . . .

[_Maksutov]

I think EV's mostly genuinely believed that moral character matters a lot in a president, but hypocritically changed their mind when it went against their voter preferences and would change it right back again if another Bill Clinton were elected.

I also think what people are taking for granted as true about Trump many EV's are skeptical are skeptical about, and their assessment of just how bad it really is creates an impasse. There's a difference between Trump's character problems being that he uses crude language and him being a sociopathic grifter who treats people like they are disposable.

The Carter administration was a forking of the ways for the EVs. They decided they'd rather have a militant Republican divorced guy over a peaceseeking Democrat Sunday School teacher. Choice noted.

[_Doctor CamNC4Me]

Well. Democrats are degenerate baby killers who are *this* close to anti-freedom communists.

A gulf too wide.

- Doc

[Guest]

Well. Democrats are degenerate baby killers who are *this* close to anti-freedom communists.

A gulf too wide.

- Doc

Far too wide. While the Relief Society are ascendant they should force all libs to wear pussy hats and live in cages where they have to listen to Charlie Daniels music and are fed pork rinds.

[_Some Schmo]

I also think what people are taking for granted as true about Trump many EV's are skeptical about, and their assessment of just how bad it really is creates an impasse.

There's no doubt about this for a lot of people, but I also can't help thinking that if EV's can convince themselves of all their religious narratives, making Drumpf "OK" should be a breeze. These people are Olympic medal holders in mental gymnastics. Filtering out reality is right in their wheelhouse.

[_Kishkumen]

But what if I did? What if I voted for Trump? Then would I join the other millions and millions of other American citizens that are being labeled as nazi, racist, xenophobic, sexist? Would I then have my values challenged/questioned because who I voted for?

You will inevitably be asked to justify your choices. All of us are. I would not assume your reasons for voting for Trump, but I might have tried to guess. I suppose I already did.

What about the millions and millions of people who voted for Hillary? Are their values being questioned/challenged?

Of course they are. All the time. Why was there a Pizzagate conspiracy theory? The implication here was that no good person should vote for a monster like Hillary.

Another one of those "have you stopped beating your wife" statements.

I really didn’t intend it that way. I can easily imagine reasons why a Christian might apply a different standard in certain cases. These things are not always clear cut, and I get that. I really do understand why a person might choose to vote for Trump because of Supreme Court considerations and overlook his crummy character. I don’t agree, but I can see that happening.

Do you think JFK was morale? How about Oscar Schindler, do you think he was morale?

Please don't tell me that your suggesting that Hillary would have made for the morale champion for America. Please don't.

I do believe that character matters. But I don’t look at it in all or nothing terms. If you were to ask me whether H. Clinton or Trump was more upright in character, the choice is simple: Clinton. Obama was probably more principled than Clinton. Reagan is up there with the better people, as are the Bushes. Bill Clinton ranks low. So does Nixon. Ford was a good person. The Kennedys were very hit and miss (lots of miss). Among post WWII presidents I would place Trump dead last in terms of personal character. Nixon second to last, and Bill Clinton right above Nixon. I recognize that both Nixon and Clinton were relatively competent, but I still think their poor character had a negative impact. Trump is obviously incompetent as well as a dodgy character. Not once in his life has he ever been truly trustworthy.

But I recognize that not everyone will share my opinion. The one thing I cannot be brought to believe is that Trump is a person of good character.

[Guest]

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[_canpakes]

Let’s approach this another way.

What were the values represented by candidate Trump that earned your vote, as opposed to candidate Clinton?

This post to me, added to the rest of your posts to me, confirms your poor vision - Among other things.

Let me ask you a self-serving loaded question now: Have you stopped beating your wife?

I take this to mean that I missed a post somewhere in which you’ve stated that you did not vote for Trump? Or should I be concluding something else?

Consider that I’m asking the question without any pre-judgment. And I’m asking it because you’ve indicated that there’s a serious difference between the ‘values of the left’ vs. ‘the values of the right’. I’m guessing that this difference translates into how you prefer to vote.

So, I’m asking for you to identify the values presented or represented by Trump that brought you to a decision to vote for him ... if you did vote for Trump. I’m assuming here that you considered Clinton to have more ‘leftist’ values and that voting for her would be untenable. We can always talk about those values represented by Clinton, too.

[Guest]

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[_canpakes]

So, I’m asking for you to identify the values presented or represented by Trump that brought you to a decision to vote for him

I think we are done discussing things CP. No hard feelings on my end, I hope there isn't any on yours.

No hard feelings, but I honestly do not understand why we are done. Or, rather, why you are done.

What’s going on?

[_Jersey Girl]

I recognize that not everyone will share my opinion either. (As far as this thread goes, I recognize that exactly nobody shares my opinion)

Well...I might share some of your opinions. If it weren't for the fact that there are so many comments on this thread that consist of folks trying to out-Trump Trump, I might have said more.