But they keep finding witches...

[_Xenophon]

The fact that he would diss John McCain's and Robert Mueller's service in favor of Cadet Bonespurs makes me suspect stolen valor.

I must say I find that persuasive.

I think it is more than possible for WaterDog to side with Trump while having served honorably. I've seen nothing from his past posts to suggest WD has not served and I'm pretty leery of us questioning that here. Let's not let partisanship lead us to falsely label people here (for either side).

[_Maksutov]

I must say I find that persuasive.

I think it is more than possible for WaterDog to side with Trump while having served honorably. I've seen nothing from his past posts to suggest Water Dog has not served and I'm pretty leery of us questioning that here. Let's not let partisanship lead us to falsely label people here (for either side).

Disrespecting fellow honorably served veterans has never been okay, even if your draft dodging candidate says it is. Maybe it's different in your world.

[_Xenophon]

Disrespecting fellow honorably served veterans has never been okay, even if your draft dodging candidate says it is. Maybe it's different in your world.

I'm not saying it is okay, call him on that all day if you want (Lord knows I've butted heads with him plenty of times). I'm just suggesting that the stolen valor charge is a pretty loaded one and I don't think it right to make it on the information we have available. Maybe it's different in your world.

[_Maksutov]

Disrespecting fellow honorably served veterans has never been okay, even if your draft dodging candidate says it is. Maybe it's different in your world.

I'm not saying it is okay, call him on that all day if you want (Lord knows I've butted heads with him plenty of times). I'm just suggesting that the stolen valor charge is a pretty loaded one and I don't think it right to make it on the information we have available. Maybe it's different in your world.

I think he's trolling us. I'm responding somewhat in kind. But it's entirely possible, too. In the end it's irrelevant. He has to figure out his loyalties.

[_Chap]

OK: let's not get distracted. More important issues are at stake.

[_honorentheos]

Disrespecting fellow honorably served veterans has never been okay, even if your draft dodging candidate says it is. Maybe it's different in your world.

I'm not saying it is okay, call him on that all day if you want (Lord knows I've butted heads with him plenty of times). I'm just suggesting that the stolen valor charge is a pretty loaded one and I don't think it right to make it on the information we have available. Maybe it's different in your world.

Agreed. And quite frankly, when I served the military was ground zero for conservatives of the type that would have been attracted to Trump. Bush II was a political hero. I doubt it's changed much since.

I do think that Dog is wrong to be supporting Trump when it's clear as day that in any other context he, Water Dog, would be first in line to argue against the type of rhetoric we've seen coming from the President. But right now partisan loyalty seems to be clouding peoples judgment.

[_Doctor CamNC4Me]

Well. They're human. And do you really want a government that can be totally swept way and staffed with partisans every few years? How would you enjoy working directly for some of the most partisan Leftists on this board?

- Doc

Term limits would take care of a lot of the "Deep State". But while GOP is in power they won't upset the cart. The Deep State thing is a mix of hypocrisy, paranoia and horsecock.

Yeah, the idea there is a shadow government manipulating elected officials to pursue a Liberal agenda is odd. The real answer is federal employees have a pretty good gig, and are more interested in executing their duties lawfully because if they don't they can get canned and that "F"s up their thrift savings plan. While frustrating for both sides of the aisle the fact of the matter is continuity is far more pragmatic than firing bureaucrats, staffing them with partisans who would be overwhelmed and mostly ineffective, only to repeat the disaster the next time a guy gets elected. It'd be chaos on an order of magnitude never seen in the US before.

The scary thing right now listening to guys like WD is that it has some disturbing similarities other autocrat-wannabes and their partisans would say about their own government before executing a purge. It's crazy how circular human nature and history is.

- Doc

[_Some Schmo]

The dog is trolling. He is not a serious person. If he were, he would be a liar, an oathbreaker and more. He loves to push liberals' buttons more than to communicate anything of value.

Nailed it.

Every one of his posts should begin with a ****BS ALERT****

[_Some Schmo]

I think it is more than possible for WaterDog to side with Trump while having served honorably. I've seen nothing from his past posts to suggest WD has not served and I'm pretty leery of us questioning that here. Let's not let partisanship lead us to falsely label people here (for either side).

It's possible, but in this case unlikely.

If people are willing to lie (outrageously) about one thing, they're usually willing to lie about anything.

If he served, I'd be shocked. He's either a liar or dumb as a stick. Both are in evidence.

[_honorentheos]

If he served, I'd be shocked. He's either a liar or dumb as a stick. Both are in evidence.

Seriously, Schmo, the military is possibly the most conservative organization in the government. There is nothing about Water Dog's behavior that I find inconsistent with many members of the AF.

To the opposite point, I work in a profession that tends to attract mostly liberals among those who are under 45. My having served in the military is shocking to many of my peers on the grounds they have such strong negative views of the military. I find both positions to be ignorant but not surprising.

I don't see any reason to doubt Dog based on his views.