Fear of the Left . . .

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Ceeboo wrote:we have reached an unbridgeable political divide in this country.


My experience suggests that whether or not there is an unbridgeable divide between me and somebody else in real life is often largely up to me.

Message boards have little to do with lived reality in the presence of flesh and blood people going about their lives. Smilies are no substitute for smiles.
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Water Dog wrote:lol

Even Trump's own right hand man, Steve Bannon said their meeting with Russians was nothing short of treasonous.
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Chap wrote:My experience suggests that whether or not there is an unbridgeable divide between me and somebody else in real life is often largely up to me.

Message boards have little to do with lived reality in the presence of flesh and blood people going about their lives. Smilies are no substitute for smiles.

Few times, if ever, have I read a post that is as intellectual and as on point here as this one.
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Ceeboo wrote:It's not an external enemy that is preventing America to unite (neither the one you suggest here or any other external enemy on planet earth, past or present). It is, without question, an unbridgeable divide that consists of American citizens alone.

We are not overcome by an external enemy. Not the one you suggest. Nor any any other that you haven't suggested. We have been overcome by a gaping divide amongst ourselves. It is internal.


Don't be too discouraged, Ceeboo. There are times in the life of a nation when deep and bitter division is a sign of good things to come.

Just imagine, for instance, that at the time when the US was split between abolitionists and slavers someone had said 'can't we all get along together?' The right and patriotic answer would have been 'No. Human decency cannot be reconciled with a system in which white human beings have the right to own black human beings. There can be no reconciliation between good and evil.' And in the long run it is good that people felt that way, and that the side won that wanted to free the enslaved black people.

Do you think there is a basic conflict of principle between Trump voters and the opposition? if, so, then now you have to work out who is on the right side. Who do you think that is, on the whole? Or do you think the conflict is illusory?

Please tell us.
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Ceeboo wrote:Hey Jersey Girl!
Jersey Girl wrote:If it weren't for the fact that there are so many comments on this thread that consist of folks trying to out-Trump Trump


I don't get it?

I would be interested in your opinion (no worries if you would rather not offer it) on how wide the political divide is in America. Do you believe the divide is unbridgeable?

No one did more to enlarge and perpetuate that political devide than Donald J. Trump, and he is by far the greatest single obstacle to bridging it.
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Ceeboo wrote:
Gunnar wrote:and he is by far the greatest single obstacle to bridging it.


Nonsense!

Supposing it can be bridged (which it absolutely can not be at this point in my opinion) - The greatest single obstacle is the complete and total lack of tolerance that is exhibited by a shockingly large number of American citizens towards an equally shocking large number of their fellow American citizens.

Ceeboo, do you interpret that the political figurehead for one of those two sides is doing anything to help bridge that divide?

Do you think that ‘leftists’ are the sole cause of this divide?
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Ceeboo wrote:
canpakes wrote:Ceeboo, do you interpret that the political figurehead for one of those two sides is doing anything to help bridge that divide?


The "political figure-head" you describe is not a "political figure-head for one of those two sides." He is the President Of The United States. It doesn't matter if you personally approve (or if I personally approve) - Among other things, this is how a democracy works. There is an election and there is a winner. Another glaring example that provides additional weight to an unbridgeable divide? yep!

Call it what you will. But I’m still going to ask the same question: What do you see him doing to help bridge that divide?
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