Water Dog wrote:What does race have to do with anything?
Ideally, nothing at all.
But somehow I suspect that your average unarmed black person may have a somewhat higher chance of getting shot by a white gun carrier under 'stand your ground' provisions than the average unarmed white person.
Of course, I may be wrong about that.
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But somehow I suspect that your average unarmed black person may have a somewhat higher chance of getting shot by a white gun carrier under 'stand your ground' provisions than the average unarmed white person.
I think parking in the handicapped space and then assaulting the guy who called him on it increased his chances of getting shot more than just being black.
And when the confederates saw Jackson standing fearless as a stone wall the army of Northern Virginia took courage and drove the federal army off their land.
But somehow I suspect that your average unarmed black person may have a somewhat higher chance of getting shot by a white gun carrier under 'stand your ground' provisions than the average unarmed white person.
I think parking in the handicapped space and then assaulting the guy who called him on it increased his chances of getting shot more than just being black.
OK (sigh):
I suspect that your average unarmed black person who pushes someone over in a car park may have a somewhat higher chance of getting shot by a white gun carrier under 'stand your ground' provisions than the average unarmed white person who pushes someone over in a car park.
Happy now?
And, by the way, the tape shows that after the guy on the ground produces a gun, the standing guy immediately retreats. At that point, the guy on the ground no longer had any reasonable self-defence cause to kill the other guy. He could have simply held him at gunpoint, and called the police. The killing was entirely gratuitous at that point. And unfortunately the subjective test on which 'stand your ground' is based ('Am I afraid? Yes. So now I can kill people legally!') encouraged that killing.
Zadok: I did not have a faith crisis. I discovered that the Church was having a truth crisis. Maksutov: That's the problem with this supernatural stuff, it doesn't really solve anything. It's a placeholder for ignorance.
ajax18 wrote:This is why you and especially the left have trouble Kevin. You're unable to accept personal responsibility for your part in anything. You're completely powerless to act independently because everything you do is dictated by what someone else does.
I don't have "trouble" you dumb racist prick. Why do I need to accept personal responsibility for something I wasn't a part of? You're a lying piece of crap if you sit there and say you've never parked where you weren't supposed to, or drove past the speed limit, etc. Armed citizens don't have the right to take the law in their own hands and enforce it. Your last sentence didn't make any damned sense at all, but it sounds like a lot of projection given your dependence on other people for your ability to support yourself.
I live in Florida not to far from where the shooting took place, own a number of firearms, and have a concealed carry weapon (CCW) permit.
Among the subjects covered in the mandatory CCW training class is a thorough review of what "stand your ground" means and what rights that law gives to the permit holder. Attendees are warned that it is better for everyone if the permit holder can safely flee a confrontation. While he has no legal obligation to do so, the alternative is likely to be personal injury or death, followed by very substantial legal bills for the permit holder.
Attendees are warned that firing a weapon should be a last resort in a life or death situation, and that pretty much regardless of the situation, there are likely to be legal costs in the $50K range at a minimum, if the permit holder discharges a weapon and injures someone in a confrontation. CCW holders who intend to carry daily are urged to purchase special liability insurance just in case.
What I saw on that tape, and I've watched it many times, was the man who pushed the gunman in the act of backing away when he saw the weapon. The armed individual who was pushed to the ground appeared to be in no further danger. What I saw was terrible judgement on the part of the armed individual resulting in a revenge shooting in a moment of anger.
The victim's family should get a good attorney and sue the shooter in civil court for every penny of the shooter's liability insurance, and then go after him personally for the last penny that belligerent SOB has.
I also wonder how many of these "legal" murders it will take before Florida amends or rescinds the stand your ground statute. Not likely to happen with the Pussy Grabber in Chief as President, but hopefully someday.
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Water Dog wrote:I do not know what the man was thinking. Your assumptions may be spot on. I can only speak for myself and those I know. In my experience, those who carry act the opposite of this. They do not go around starting fights. They go far out of their way to avoid them.
It's not the 99 we worry about, but the one. There are always those who will feel more powerful and aggressive because they have a gun. How many deranged individuals might want to feel what's it's like to kill someone. It's hard not to think Florida is a great place to do it legally. Just legally carry a hand gun and be a bit of an asshole until someone decides to push or punch you.
Turns out the shooter has a history of going around parking lots starting fights over this same thing. Why is he allowed to own a gun at all? He goes around looking for fights.
Kevin Graham wrote:Turns out the shooter has a history of going around parking lots starting fights over this same thing. Why is he allowed to own a gun at all? He goes around looking for fights.
Oh great. And he gets to pack a gun and shoot people if he feels afraid:
And Majax comes here to tell us that it's the victim's fault.
The owner of Circle A Food Store and other customers told GMA that Drejka had a history of harassing other people over parking spaces. One unidentified black customer told ABC that Drejka had threatened to shoot him over a parking space before. The store owner also told reporters that he had to call the police on Drejka before for getting into arguments with other customers about parking.
“For a parking lot. For a stupid reason? Just to argue?” the owner said.
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Florida man charged with manslaughter in "stand your ground" shooting
The man accused of fatally shooting a father at a parking lot in Clearwater, Florida, was arrested on manslaughter charges Monday, authorities said. The shooting of Markeis McGlockton reignited the debate over Florida's "stand your ground law" after the local sheriff's office declined to bring charges in the case last month.
Michael Drejka, 47, was arrested and booked into the Pinellas County Jail, the State Attorney's office said. His bond has been set at $100,000. Officials said the decision to press charges was consistent under Florida law.