Traumatized Immigrant children harming themselves

[_Kevin Graham]

Welcome to Trump's Legacy

[_Jersey Girl]

Charge the administration and President himself with:

Child abduction
Child endangerment
Child abuse


Be done.

[Guest]

Now, now. These are all summer camps. Sure some kids get bee stings, poison ivy and the occasional broken arm, but it's all part of the glorious process of being away from home for the very first time. These are the experience from which you learn and grow. Just ask Laura Ingraham.

Meanwhile, Trump threatens to shut down the government if we don't pay for the wall that he promised would be payed for by Mexico.

Just like it says at the base of the Statue:

Give me your tired, your poor, Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, The wretched refuse of your teeming shore. Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me, I lift my lamp beside the golden door!

Then separate the children from their parents and send them back from where they came. For I am Donald Trump, and my base is hungry.

[_Jersey Girl]

Meanwhile, Trump threatens to shut down the government if we don't pay for the wall that he promised would be payed for by Mexico.

My favorite part of the story is where he wants the ACLU to find the parents he deported. Tell me it again so I don't forget, okay?

[_Chap]

Well, y'know, that stuff on the Statue of Liberty - it's kind of a fake poem.

Or so a Trump aid has kindly explained to us:

JTA — Isabel Belarsky arrived in New York in 1930 fleeing anti-Semitic persecution in Russia. Eighty-one years later, she recalled what it was like, as an immigrant, to see the Statue of Liberty as her ship approached New York Harbor.

“It was a wonderful sight,” she told CNN in 2011.

Sorry, Isabel: If you think Lady Liberty was welcoming immigrants like you, the Trump administration thinks you may have misinterpreted her message.

Explaining President Trump’s immigration policies Wednesday, White House aide Stephen Miller told reporters that the famous pro-immigration poem associated with the Statue of Liberty “doesn’t matter” since it was attached to the site years after the statue was erected.

The poem, “The New Colossus,” was written by the Jewish poet Emma Lazarus in 1883, eight years after construction began on the statue and three years before its dedication. It includes lines long associated with America’s embrace of immigrants: “Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free.”

When CNN’s Jim Acosta asked Miller whether a new immigration bill favoring English-speaking applicants and vetting potential immigrants according to their skill sets is “keeping with American tradition” and the spirit of the Lazarus poem, Miller said that the poem doesn’t matter since it was “added later” to the statue.

“I don’t want to get off into a whole thing about history here, but the Statue of Liberty is a symbol of liberty and lighting in the world; it’s a symbol of American liberty lighting the world,” Miller argued. “The poem that you’re referring to was added later. It’s not actually part of the Statue of Liberty.”

Although not an immigrant herself, Lazarus, the daughter of a family that traced its roots to America’s first Portuguese Jewish settlers, wrote the poem about the statue and in response to what her biographer, Esther Schor, called the “pain of the world’s exiles.” Although a plaque inscribed with the poem wasn’t placed at the site until 1903 — six years after Lazarus’ death at age 38 — its message and the statue’s orientation near what would become, starting in 1892, the nation’s busiest entry point for new immigrants became inseparable.

“The Statue of Liberty was not conceived and sculpted as a symbol of immigration, but it quickly became so as immigrant ships passed under the torch and the shining face, heading toward Ellis Island,” wrote John T. Cunningham in a history of nearby Ellis Island. “However, it was [Lazarus’s poem] that permanently stamped on Miss Liberty the role of unofficial greeter of incoming immigrants.”

Franklin D. Roosevelt and Lyndon Johnson were among the presidents who gave pro-immigration speeches at the base of the statue.

Twitter wasn’t kind to Miller’s appraisal of the poem.

“WHAT?!! @President advisor Stephen Miller says Emma Lazarus poem on Statue of Liberty ‘meaningless.’ Stephen, you are a Statue of Arrogance,” tweeted the Anne Frank Center for Mutual Respect.

Peter Sagal — host of the NPR quiz show “Wait Wait…Don’t Tell Me!” — seemed flabbergasted by Miller’s assertion (which, to be fair, is technically true).

And some termed it ironic that Miller’s own great-grandfather, Sam Glosser, immigrated to America from his native Belarus.

And if the statue is no longer what Lazarus called the “Mother of Exiles,” someone may want to notify the National Park Service: Its web site refers to Lady Liberty as “The Immigrant’s Statue.”

[_ajax18]

If you want to give away your birthright as an American citizen to the innumerable and ever expanding hordes of impoverished people around the world, go ahead and get out your checkbook. But you have no right to give away my earnings through taxation and wealth redistribution.

At one time there was excess conquered land taken from the Amerinds. America needed immigrants and they needed America. But make no mistake, immigrants were always selected based on who was best for America not what was best for the immigrant. This was the policy when America was great. I have no problem with working people coming into the country if we could get rid of the socialism and welfare to which our own lazy people are addicted. But we don't need anymore women coming to lie on their backs and have baby after baby from multiple absent fathers all at the expense of the taxpayer.

[_Chap]

... you have no right to give away my earnings through taxation and wealth redistribution.

Let's think about that.

1. All governments raise their resources through taxation. They have to do that, because otherwise they could not do anything at all that governments are normally expected to do.

2. So that means that they will end up 'giving away' (i.e. spending) some of the earnings of their citizens.

3. In democratic countries, people have the right to vote to choose governments in part on the basis of how they promise to raise revenue by taxing people, which means that citizens get to decide how significant portions of their own and other citizens's earnings will be 'given away'.

I assume you are not against governments existing and raising taxes, nor about citizens have the right to vote for governments with specific taxing and spending policies.

So what do you mean that your fellow-citizens don't have the right to 'give away your earnings'? How can they not, if you live in a democracy? Or are you suggesting that individual citizens should be able to opt out of taxation for which their fellow-citizens have voted?

[_ajax18]

I assume you are not against governments existing and raising taxes, nor about citizens have the right to vote for governments with specific taxing and spending policies.

So what do you mean that your fellow-citizens don't have the right to 'give away your earnings'? How can they not, if you live in a democracy? Or are you suggesting that individual citizens should be able to opt out of taxation for which their fellow-citizens have voted?

We have democratically established immigration law that the left refuses to enforce. If they don't have to enforce laws which they don't agree with, why should I have to comply with laws I don't agree with?

I think it's important to note that when the first waves of immigrants came to the US income taxation and social welfare spending didn't really exist. That's a big reason why mass immigration is viewed differently now than before. There is no more excess land or capital to accommodate the world's population relocating to the United States.

[_Chap]

I assume you are not against governments existing and raising taxes, nor about citizens have the right to vote for governments with specific taxing and spending policies.

So what do you mean that your fellow-citizens don't have the right to 'give away your earnings'? How can they not, if you live in a democracy? Or are you suggesting that individual citizens should be able to opt out of taxation for which their fellow-citizens have voted?

We have democratically established immigration law that the left refuses to enforce. If they don't have to enforce laws which they don't agree with, why should I have to comply with laws I don't agree with?

Tell that to the judge.

Anyhow, now you have elected someone who is presumably to your taste on matters of immigration, may we assume that you pay your taxes without complaint?

[_ajax18]

Tell that to the judge.

Perhaps I will when we get judges appointed who are more interested in justice and putting the American people first. Right now our only recourse is to vote. It's the only thing that forces the left to listen and even compromise a bit. Make no mistake about it. We hold the moral high ground in this fight regardless of what some judge says.

Anyhow, now you have elected someone who is presumably to your taste on matters of immigration, may we assume that you pay your taxes without complaint?

I have no complaints about Trump's policy on taxation. I'd like to see more social welfare programs cut, but no, taxes have been where I'd like them this past fiscal year.