Trump + Putin + Helsinki Press Conference = More Hysteria

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Re: Trump + Putin + Helsinki Press Conference = More Hysteri

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Hey Kish!

Kishkumen wrote:Ceeboo, you didn’t answer the question.

Here is the question from Themis:
What do you think she would have done as president that makes her a worse option than Trump?

I didn't answer the question (directly and on target) because if I did, I would have to presume that I know what she would have done (and/or not done) as President. Since she isn't the President, I answered the best way I knew how........given the reality that she is not the President.

The answer to the question, by the way, is that she would have understood the issues, read documents that crossed her desk, not started a trade war, not sold out our intelligence services in favor of a dictator thug named Putin, not spent her time tweeting and watching FOX News talk about her, not golfed 127 days and counting, etc., etc.

Perhaps you are right about these things that you suggest she would have done as President (and the things she would not have done as President) - But I must confess that it is my opinion that you are just projecting about things, just like I am, that neither of us will ever know. (Unless she runs again and wins)

She would also not accomplished much with a legislature dominated by the party that makes bank hating her viscerally, so much so that Ceeboo is convinced she would have been terrible because she’s as deft rhetorically and cuddly as a constipated Mitt Romney.


"Deft rhetorically and cuddly as a constipated Mitt Romney" (LOL - Awesome!)

Still, I would have vastly preferred to see her in the Oval Office to the grafting, dangerous, traitorous, joke of a feckless idiot who currently occupies the office.


I have exactly no problem allowing you your personal view of her - or your personal political stances - or your stated preference. I gave you mine and I read yours.
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Ceeboo wrote:Slightly more seriously though ...... As I have said a number of time on this very board, I can't believe the two choices that American citizens were faced with. As I type this, I still can't believe it.


Sure I can understand you did not like either choice.

Having said that, it is my opinion that she would have been a monumental disaster for this country! In addition to her being the epitome of a deeply cemented, severely corrupt and deceitful member of the establishment - I believe her obvious disdain and contempt for millions of her fellow American citizens is way too much for me to have even considered voting for her. I did not!


Do you have any specifics of this corruption? Most have seen Trump for many decades and seemed to me to be very corrupt and self centered. Also her comments about Trump supporters does not really answer what you were afraid she would do as president that would make her a worse choice then Trump, especially since Trump was just as bad or worse for attacking all kinds of people.

Your turn Themis:

What are some of the things that support your belief that she would have been a great choice for the President of the USA? Remember, there are some people that believe you must be held accountable for your personal vote and you must "take responsibility" on her behalf.


I think honorentheos covers very well her planned agenda which is backed up by her time in Washington, but I was wondering what you thought she would do that would harm the US economically or democratically compared to Trump. If I look at Trump I see someone very autocratic in mindset and doing a lot of damage to US democracy, which is backed up by a number of notable Republicans. The tax cuts will hurt the US a lot economically and the US's ability to have revenue to pay for even things like military due to massive debt and massive interest payments on that debt. Many do not realize the most damage Osama did to the US was to get a country that was paying down it's debt all of a sudden went crazy in spending and invaded Iraq at a high cost, and Trump is continuing to increase the debt and a very fast rate. Lets hope an invasion of Iran is not on the agenda.
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Ceeboo wrote:This is an interesting spot to post this:

I was thinking about something - How many times have you seen a member of this board call another member of this board a racist? Yeah, a whole lot of times right? To be clear, I'm not suggesting that there weren't times that the label was just. There surely were. I'm simply saying it happens quite a bit.

But in all of those times, how many times has the member who was called a racist been a member who is politically left leaning? I can't think of a single time (with the exception of me doing it a time or two)

Can you think of any examples?

Just wondering........

Ceeboo, I have personally been accused of being racist by subs during his occasional moments of playing the POC card. For the record, subs is a Trump sycophant, and likely thinks that I'm quite the leftist (lol). Given that we have probably three 'regulars' on this board that could be identified as firmly residing on the right-leaning side of the political fence, then I've been called racist by at least a third of them. : )
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Themis wrote:
Ceeboo wrote:Your turn Themis:

What are some of the things that support your belief that she would have been a great choice for the President of the USA? Remember, there are some people that believe you must be held accountable for your personal vote and you must "take responsibility" on her behalf.


I think honorentheos covers very well her planned agenda

??????

but I was wondering what you thought she would do that would harm the US economically

I think what Lisa said covers it.
or democratically compared to Trump.

I think what Lisa's brother Bob said covers it.
Do you have any specifics of this corruption?

I think what Lisa's cousin Freddy said covers it.

But I do have some more questions for you to answer:

What size shoe do you wear?
How many children do you have?
Have you ever been to Spain?
What is your opinion on the best way to prevent getting a peanut allergy?
Do you have any credit cards?
Seen any good movies lately?
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Themis wrote:
Ceeboo wrote:Having said that, it is my opinion that she would have been a monumental disaster for this country! In addition to her being the epitome of a deeply cemented, severely corrupt and deceitful member of the establishment - I believe her obvious disdain and contempt for millions of her fellow American citizens is way too much for me to have even considered voting for her. I did not!


Do you have any specifics of this corruption? Most have seen Trump for many decades and seemed to me to be very corrupt and self centered. Also her comments about Trump supporters does not really answer what you were afraid she would do as president that would make her a worse choice then Trump, especially since Trump was just as bad or worse for attacking all kinds of people.

Regardless of Clinton's comments during the election run - none of which seemed any worse than Trump's own running commentary on many Latinos or perceived Democratic voters being losers, criminals and/or rapists - I really don't think that it's possible for any rational person to claim that she would have carried on in the same way post-election as Trump has, either via angry, vindictive rhetoric at rallies or hysterical Twitter tirades. So this complaint against Clinton really can't be taken too seriously if one is comparing the possible path of either candidate once elected.
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CP!
canpakes wrote:Given that we have probably three 'regulars' on this board that could be identified as firmly residing on the right-leaning side of the political fence,

Only 3! Who are they?
then I've been called racist by at least a third of them. : )

.333 - That will get you in the Hall Of Fame!
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Unfortunately Ceeboo you do like to avoid getting into details about why you think the way you do, so I will leave you to it.
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canpakes wrote:Regardless of Clinton's comments during the election run - none of which seemed any worse than Trump's own running commentary on many Latinos or perceived Democratic voters being losers, criminals and/or rapists - I really don't think that it's possible for any rational person to claim that she would have carried on in the same way post-election as Trump has, either via angry, vindictive rhetoric at rallies or hysterical Twitter tirades. So this complaint against Clinton really can't be taken too seriously if one is comparing the possible path of either candidate once elected.


I've asked a number of people why they dislike Clinton so much but they never can give any real detail or back up with good evidence of any really horrible. It appears to be people thinking what their tribe tells them to.
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Ceeboo wrote:
... and scream hatred at the press at his rallies.

Small radical fringe, yes. (Just like the small radical fringe on the other side)

If we are only experiencing small radical fringes, then why did Dennis Prager make his claim about virtually every right-leaning person he knows being afraid to publicly announce that they voted for Trump?

I wonder if there's something else going on here ... I wonder if these folks that Prager speaks of are less afraid of folks that didn't vote for Trump than they are afraid of being seen as the same sort of person that we witness at so many of Trump's rallies ... the maybe not-so-small radical 'fringe' of the right... a fringe that seems to have shifted from merely the edge and more strongly into the center of the fabric of modern-day conservative identity.
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Themis wrote:
canpakes wrote:Regardless of Clinton's comments during the election run - none of which seemed any worse than Trump's own running commentary on many Latinos or perceived Democratic voters being losers, criminals and/or rapists - I really don't think that it's possible for any rational person to claim that she would have carried on in the same way post-election as Trump has, either via angry, vindictive rhetoric at rallies or hysterical Twitter tirades. So this complaint against Clinton really can't be taken too seriously if one is comparing the possible path of either candidate once elected.


I've asked a number of people why they dislike Clinton so much but they never can give any real detail or back up with good evidence of any really horrible. It appears to be people thinking what their tribe tells them to.


Nope, it wasn't our tribe that told us what to think, it was Lisa!
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