1984 in 2018

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Re: 1984 in 2018

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canpakes wrote:
subgenius wrote:perhaps you could tell us "why not"?
Is there some sort of hidden morality/integrity in Facebook ? Is Facebook some bastion of something yet to be revealed ?

I mean, granted I am all about that tasty freedom, but why care what Facebook promotes or does not promote? Does Jones being on YouTube cause you much hand-wringing?

I figured that it was about time that the guy who pushes the Clinton Kill List would show up.

Your apparent concern in your first paragraph is answered by yourself in your second paragraph. You’re done, now. ; )


Shocking, another mouth breathing trumpster who doesn't support the rights of private companies to support and enforce their own rules - unless it involves baking gay themed cakes, then they are all about supporting the bigots right to run his business however he wants. Im sensing a pattern here.
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Re: 1984 in 2018

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Water Dog wrote:
SteelHead wrote:The outrage for Jones' behalf by guys who promote a president who regularly decries "fake news"

Right, because the media is a special, protected class. And President doesn't have free speech. The delight for seeing Jones censored by guys who express fear of an autocratic president censoring speech. Yet the only actual censorship is coming from which team?


I don't see any censorship. Jones can still produce his nonsense. He just won't be able to use some one else's platform to promote it, as it violates their acceptable use standards.
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Re: 1984 in 2018

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canpakes wrote:Nothing about this is intended to be a serious commentary by Dog, regarding any serious matter that he actually takes seriously.

This BS only exists to undermine things or people that he - and by extension, Jones - doesn’t agree with, in order to serve only their own interests.

There is nothing about this charade that is actually about the First Amendment, or any other BS excuse dreamed up to cloak the actual intent.

Excellent summary.
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Facebook just issued the following regarding their banning of InfoWars:
We’re going to aggressively push back. We’re just not going to sit back and let, you know, false narratives, false stories, inaccurate facts get out there.



ETA: Whoops, that was the White House Press Secretary, during a daily briefing that The New York Times, Buzzfeed, CNN, The Los Angeles Times, Politico, the BBC and The Huffington Post were banned from.

Sorry about the mix-up.
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Re: 1984 in 2018

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Doctor Steuss wrote:Facebook just issued the following regarding their banning of InfoWars:
We’re going to aggressively push back. We’re just not going to sit back and let, you know, false narratives, false stories, inaccurate facts get out there.



ETA: Whoops, that was the White House Press Secretary, during a daily briefing that The New York Times, Buzzfeed, CNN, The Log Angeles Times, Politico, the BBC and The Huffington Post were banned from.

Sorry about the mix-up.


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Doctor Steuss wrote:Facebook just issued the following regarding their banning of InfoWars:
We’re going to aggressively push back. We’re just not going to sit back and let, you know, false narratives, false stories, inaccurate facts get out there.

ETA: Whoops, that was the White House Press Secretary, during a daily briefing that The New York Times, Buzzfeed, CNN, The Los Angeles Times, Politico, the BBC and The Huffington Post were banned from.

Sorry about the mix-up.

Steuss lands a killer blow.
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Think of it like this: The internet is like speaker's corner in Hyde park. You are able to mount your soapbox and scream opinions using every bit and byte of your digital lungs.

Facebook is also in Hyde Park, but they have constructed their own soapbox. If you want to get on that soapbox, you have to play by their rules. If Facebook has rules they will be damned. They will also be damned if they don't.

The ethos of the internet has always been freedom of expression, and the internet is like the wild west, in the sense that there are very few sheriffs. Facebook is a community within the internet. but people have seen the results of a deliberate attack against truth under the banner of Freedom of Expression. In a perfect world the rules would not be needed, but noise of deliberately orchestrated polarizing messages has really poisoned political dialog in the United States. Belatedly, Facebook is recognizing how they were deliberately targeted as cheap, effective propaganda platform meant to confuse and polarize.

Hemingway said “The most essential gift for a good writer is a built-in, shock-proof, shit-detector.” But in the Internet age that burden increasingly falls to the reader. Before the internet, the sheer cost of publication and/or the limited number of broadcast TV stations served as choke points for information. Print media and broadcast television were information and fact gatekeepers, and that was both good and bad. While it severely limited the range of viewpoints, it also had a lot more self-policing of journalistic standards. We are living in a political environment that is more polarized, suspicious and angry because of the lack of self-policing, and the subsequent rise of the post-fact nihilism internet.

Who is Alex Jones? He is a caricature of Alex Jones. He feels a bit like a character in a Cohen Brothers Movie, untethered in time, attacking the demons in unbelievers with a Pentecostal fervor. In a post-fact world, style becomes substance, and the fervor with which you profess your beliefs translates into believability.

And Alex Jones has not been kicked off the internet. He's been kicked off Facebook. Having to type in another web address in order to hear the ramblings of a lunatic does not deny Jones the right to espouse his opinions.
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MeDotOrg wrote:Think of it like this: The internet is like speaker's corner in Hyde park. You are able to mount your soapbox and scream opinions using every bit and byte of your digital lungs.

Facebook is also in Hyde Park, but they have constructed their own soapbox. If you want to get on that soapbox, you have to play by their rules. If Facebook has rules they will be damned. They will also be damned if they don't.

The ethos of the internet has always been freedom of expression, and the internet is like the wild west, in the sense that there are very few sheriffs. Facebook is a community within the internet. but people have seen the results of a deliberate attack against truth under the banner of Freedom of Expression. In a perfect world the rules would not be needed, but noise of deliberately orchestrated polarizing messages has really poisoned political dialog in the United States. Belatedly, Facebook is recognizing how they were deliberately targeted as cheap, effective propaganda platform meant to confuse and polarize.

Hemingway said “The most essential gift for a good writer is a built-in, shock-proof, ____.” But in the Internet age that burden increasingly falls to the reader. Before the internet, the sheer cost of publication and/or the limited number of broadcast TV stations served as choke points for information. Print media and broadcast television were information and fact gatekeepers, and that was both good and bad. While it severely limited the range of viewpoints, it also had a lot more self-policing of journalistic standards. We are living in a political environment that is more polarized, suspicious and angry because of the lack of self-policing, and the subsequent rise of the post-fact nihilism internet.

Who is Alex Jones? He is a caricature of Alex Jones. He feels a bit like a character in a Cohen Brothers Movie, untethered in time, attacking the demons in unbelievers with a Pentecostal fervor. In a post-fact world, style becomes substance, and the fervor with which you profess your beliefs translates into believability.

And Alex Jones has not been kicked off the internet. He's been kicked off Facebook. Having to type in another web address in order to hear the ramblings of a lunatic does not deny Jones the right to espouse his opinions.


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Re: 1984 in 2018

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schreech wrote:Your reading comprehension is not very good. Maybe that is the entire problem here, you don't understand what you are reading and responding to - that would go a long way to explaining your posts.

Has anyone ever told you that you're an unpleasant individual?

schreech wrote:What does this have to do with any private social media company on the internet?

Good lord, and I'm the one with poor reading comprehension?

schreech wrote:ETA - I have ownership in a large web hosting company, we don't host porn sites for various reasons, am I infringing on the rights of porn suppliers?

Your web hosting company isn't the internet. There are thousands of such companies. There is only one Facebook. Do you really not understand the concept of a monopoly?

I would be happy to discuss the topic further, but to be honest it just isn't very interesting or fun with someone like you. Besides being a jackass, you're just wrong. This is not some flat earth concept I pulled out of my ass. Congress has been holding hearings about it, it's a topic that has been widely debated for many years now.
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Waterdog,
I agree that free speech needs to be defended, not because I agree with everyone, but because it allows for a free exchange of ideas. When free speech is restricted, thoughts and ideas people have cannot be argued so then those thoughts can snow-ball into unchecked but believed nonsense, and truth is harder to discover. Sometimes I wonder what the real motives are - if people are as stupid as they seem to make a heroic martyr out of their enemies like Alex Jones as they did out of Jordan Peterson. Peterson credited his fame with media going crazy about his comments about free speech & politically incorrect assertions.

You might appreciate some things Christopher Hitchens said about free speech... The threat to free speech is not by government but by others:
https://youtu.be/nrfZ7HEpHYw

The right to free speech includes the important right to hear & think about diverse viewpoints - some of which may be true but attempted to be hidden. https://youtu.be/4Z2uzEM0ugY
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