While Driving, The Car Radio.....

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Re: While Driving, The Car Radio.....

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Lemmie wrote:It's interesting you would mention that. A week or so ago I was up late when my son came home from a party so we sat outside in the garden, and he played Travis Scott's new album-streamed on spotify, I think. He was so excited because it had literally come out just 30 minutes before. I just texted him re: the album because I thought it was a double album, he said no, Travis Scott released "AstroWorld," the double album was Drake with "Scorpion"!

So that's from an 18 year old, and as far as can recall, this is the first time he has talked to me about albums and not just singles, so maybe that full sense of enjoying an artist's work is coming back.
That is awesome, and really great you got to connect with him over that. From my own personal experience I don't know if I put a lot of thought into my music prior to my late teens. Mostly I just went by feel. It wouldn't surprise me to find as he matures your son is just finding more depth in music he already enjoyed, that would line up pretty well with my own experiences.
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Some Schmo wrote:I agree wholeheartedly, and it is something that has only occurred to me in the last several years.

I remember when I was young wondering how my taste in music could be so vastly different from my parents'. Now that I've passed their age when I was wondering that, it occurs to me that the music I grew up listening to is now considered "classic" and is much different than what is popular today.

There must be something about being young when you are exposed to something that causes you to feel like "that's the way it should be." Just the association of your youth to the culture of the day must be enough to make you think that's the "correct" status quo. How else can you explain everyone not in your generation having crappy musical taste?

*grin*
I'm just curious when I'll get there (maybe I already am and just haven't noticed yet :lol: ). For me it does speak to how powerful a role music plays that it is able to so heavily color our perspective as we age.
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Re: While Driving, The Car Radio.....

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Lemmie wrote: It's interesting you would mention that. A week or so ago I was up late when my son came home from a party so we sat outside in the garden, and he played Travis Scott's new album-streamed on spotify, I think. He was so excited because it had literally come out just 30 minutes before. I just texted him re: the album because I thought it was a double album, he said no, Travis Scott released "AstroWorld," the double album was Drake with "Scorpion"!

So that's from an 18 year old, and as far as can recall, this is the first time he has talked to me about albums and not just singles, so maybe that full sense of enjoying an artist's work is coming back.

I'm glad to hear this. It occurs to me I've never asked my daughter about this particular subject. I know her musical taste, but she seems to me to be into making playlists. Unless she really likes a particular artist... I'm not sure how many albums she listens to. Now I need to ask.
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Xenophon wrote: I'm just curious when I'll get there (maybe I already am and just haven't noticed yet :lol: ). For me it does speak to how powerful a role music plays that it is able to so heavily color our perspective as we age.

No doubt. Music is such an emotional experience, it's hard to forget. When I think about it, it's no mystery to me why we'd all have a special place for the music we grew up on.*

*I totally ended that sentence on two prepositions... in your face, Shades.
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I don't know if this fits with the conversation. The conversation itself seems to have changed since last I looked in.

Music is important because it's sensory input that changes our emotions and that's why we attach to certain pieces--for the way they made us feel. I'm sure that many here can hear a piece of music from childhood or teen years and know where they were, what was taking place when they listened to it and even what age they were.

This reminds me of...

The same way that our other senses invoke a memory and the feeling attached to it. Smell, I think, being the strongest and most effective in that regard.
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Gunnar wrote:
CeeBoo wrote:Correct, most of the bigotry and intolerance we see today is coming from the left - do doubt about it.
I am at a complete loss to understand how any rational, compassionate individual can possibly come honestly to that conclusion! All the hateful bashing and disparaging of blacks, Jews, foreigners and both undocumented and legal immigrants

Ceeboo wrote:Perhaps part of the reason that you think I'm not rational and that I posses no compassion rests squarely with your view that compassion and rationality is something that ought to be measured by how someone treats "blacks, jews, foreigners, and immigrants."

That was not all that I said:
Gunnar wrote:I am at a complete loss to understand how any rational, compassionate individual can possibly come honestly to that conclusion! All the hateful bashing and disparaging of blacks, Jews, foreigners and both undocumented and legal immigrants I hear and see is coming from the hard right. Almost all of the support I see for treating minorities and the poor fairly, equally and compassionately comes from liberal and moderate sources, while those most subject to "liberal bashing" and condemnation are genuine bigots who really deserve such bashing. There is really no more, if any, equivalence between liberal bias and hard right conservative bias than there is between flat earther bias and heliocentric, round earth bias.

It is still blazingly obvious to me that almost all of the bashing and condemnation of minorities of all types and the disparaging of the poor simply because they are poor is coming from the hard right, most notably hard core Trump supporters, and it is equally obvious to me that liberals and moderates are the strongest advocates of treating minorities and the poor fairly and compassionately. The bashing that hard right conservatives get from liberals and moderates for bigotry is well deserved, and is not itself just another form of bigotry!
In my view, extending compassion is not determined by race or ethnicity (at least it sure shouldn't be in my opinion.) I believe compassion ought be given to all Americans - by all Americans - No matter what their race or ethnicity is.

Of course! Nothing I said can be justifiably construed to mean otherwise! What I hate the most about today's hard right conservatives, especially Trumpists, is that they seem so obviously opposed that sentiment. They seem so bloody determined to further augment the already immense wealth and power of the wealthiest of the wealthiest (especially if they happen to be white males), no matter how much they hurt and further impoverish the already impoverished.
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Some Schmo wrote:ETA: by the way, I'm pretty sure when someone points out that someone else is wrong, based simply on the facts (like in this case), there is an attitude on the right that this, itself, constitutes bigotry/intolerance.

I am a bigot to the degree that bigotry applies to people who are intolerant of opinions contrary to facts.

So right! Pointing out that someone is objectively and obviously mistaken (or lying) does not qualify as bigotry.
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Gunnar wrote:It is still blazingly obvious to me that almost all of the bashing and condemnation of minorities of all types and the disparaging of the poor simply because they are poor is coming from the hard right, most notably hard core Trump supporters, and it is equally obvious to me that liberals and moderates are the strongest advocates of treating minorities and the poor fairly and compassionately. The bashing that hard right conservatives get from liberals and moderates for bigotry is well deserved, and is not itself just another form of bigotry!

Of course! Nothing I said can be justifiably construed to mean otherwise! What I hate the most about today's hard right conservatives, especially Trumpists, is that they seem so obviously opposed that sentiment. They seem so bloody determined to further augment the already immense wealth and power of the wealthiest of the wealthiest (especially if they happen to be white males), no matter how much they hurt and further impoverish the already impoverished.


Gunnar - concerning our recent exchanges, I give you the last word.
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Re: While Driving, The Car Radio.....

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Xenophon wrote:
Some Schmo wrote:I know you didn't ask me, but since I am a Family subscriber to Spotify, I feel qualified to answer this challenge.

...[snip}...

It's totally worth it. I have gigs of mp3s I never listen to because I don't need them. Frankly, there's no need to own any digital media anymore (unless you just like collecting stuff). Everything is in a cloud somewhere.
Schmo's thoughts on the superiority of Spotify are right in line with mine. I'll just add that I too typically prefer to listen to whole albums and that is readily accessible on 99.999% of the things I want to hear, even accounting for some of my more eclectic tastes. It is also crazy how good the music recommendation algorithms are. I know Pandora has similar features but I've found Spotify is good for recommendations across genres in a way I hadn't seen from other sites. I've been introduced to a whole slew of musicians I might never have discovered if they hadn't been offered up to me.

It has gotten where I can go most of the day with just the single app, jumping from pump-up tunes for my workout, a podcast on my morning ride in, a channel designed to help me focus during a project at work, to some mood setting music for dinner with my wife that evening. As much as I love some of the old-school aspects of music (I've still got quite the vinyl collection) there is just something extra nice about bringing your listening experience into the modern world.

Also I think you can test it for like 90 days with just a dollar so not a bad little trial period.


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honorentheos wrote:Whenever I talk to the kiddies at work who only listened to music via YouTube or streaming services their entire lives, their relationship to music seemed too foreign to me to make me give them another look. So, what's your elevator pitch for someone who grew up with albums rather than downloads?

I am not sure how other services work, but with Apple Music, it's basically like having an iPod that you can add music to on the fly.

It also has the "recommended" type function for creating stations like Pandora, but I've never tinkered with it.

Apple Music also gives you the option to download albums/songs directly onto your device (especially groovy if you phone allows a micros SD); so if you don't have a cell/Wi-Fi signal, you can still listen to your tunes. You can shuffle all albums/songs in your library, or just those downloaded. You can also do the same with Playlists you create.

One of the things I enjoy most about it, is if I all of a sudden have a song pop in my head from yesteryears, I can download the album in its entirety, and bathe in nostalgia. It's also handy for when one of my audiophile friends says "Have you listened to _____?" -- moments later, I have the whole album to take for a spin.

Between Schmo, Lemmie, Xeno and Steuss it seems pretty clear that I'm missing out by not having a streaming service. The point that one can also get podcasts through Spotify was probably the real tipping point for me.

Thanks for the music discussion, all. I could relate to so much of what was said. There are so many memories of listening to albums with friends. My daughter picked up a turn table last year and we've been revisiting the classics in vinyl along with new albums which has been fun. She's a Gorillaz fan and they make gorgeous vinyl albums, for example. But I also remember complaining in the 90s about how many artists were putting out poor albums on the strength of one or two singles. And I wished then for what we basically have today so I shouldn't complain.

I think the only thing that makes it unlikely I will ever ditch the old mp3 player until it dies is that every song on it has a memory of some kind attached to it, old or new, and so it feels curated by someone who knows me as I was as well as I am. The song that kicked on at 5 AM to get me out of bed and running for a whole year in high school is something I forgot about until a few weeks ago when it came up in the rotation, for example. But I can see the value in adding a service as well.
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Re: While Driving, The Car Radio.....

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Xenophon wrote:Good points all around and you'll certain find no disagreement from me about "The Prophets Song" (as an aside here is Brian May and Roger Taylor discussing the album)
Some Schmo wrote:I'm trying to imagine how successful a band like Pink Floyd would be in today's digitally provided landscape.
I'd like to touch on this a bit. You're right that a musician probably can't make a whole movie of their album anymore and expect much traction but it doesn't stop us from having some serious story tellers or album builders. It may not be to everyone's taste but I think the hip-hop and rap communities still do a fantastic job at building cohesive albums that are better viewed as a whole than as individual songs.

I think there is a natural tendency for people to latch on to what music was/how it was presented/general soundscapes from their formative years. There can be a fair bit of "back in my day" that prevents people from finding amazing music in the here and now due to this latching onto nostalgia. I do want to emphasize that I don't think you or Honor are doing this Schmo, just speaking generally of how our music tastes are so heavily attached to our youths and what impact that has on how we view it as we age, even when it comes to the medium it is presented in.

I agree certain newer genres seem to be outing out more cohesive albums. Maybe I'll brand myself as an outcast with this, but I've come to like electronic music and in many ways feel there are stronger, more cohesive albums in those subgenres than in most other more established genres. Some of my favor modern artists are DJ's whose music feels innovative to me in ways I don't feel as much elsewhere in music.

But I admit, much of my past relationship with music also included participation and concert going which is decidedly different now. I took my daughter and her friend to a show with a bunch of older punk bands like Pennywise and The Vandals. Pennywise had a huge pit going and it made me nostalgic to see. There's no denying there is an element of nostalgia for me when I think about older music that has great memories associated with it compared to newer music that has old man dad taking his kid to the show memories instead. :wink:
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