A taste of Prager U

[_Doctor CamNC4Me]

... the system itself promotes women ... at virtually every echelon, from education, to grants, to contracts, to promotion, and everything in between.

Yup. That's why my daughter is likely to earn less than the young men at her university if they end up doing the same job with the same qualifications.

The guys need that extra salary to compensate them for all the discrimination they suffer. It's only fair, isn't it?

Why in the world wouldn't someone hire your daughter if she's going to be paid less??? That's nonsense.

- Doc

[_Doctor CamNC4Me]

What's insane to me is the argument that White PrivilegeTM exists systemically. In order for this stupid and redundant claim to be made one would have to believe that White People are homogeneous enough to actually find ways for the system to favor random White People based off their skin color alone.

White children, on average, are less likely to be suspended or expelled from school than black or latinx children for the same behavior. Having children less likely to be suspended or expelled from school is a form of white privilege that exists systemically due to a mixture of racism and implicit biases. Can you explain how white people have to behave in the manner you describe for this to be true?

Zero tolerance policies? Why are Asian kids suspended at lower rates if it's predicated upon raaaaaacism?

Meanwhile, back on planet Earth, the system itself promotes women and privileged minorities over Whites and un-privileged minorities at virtually every echelon, from education, to grants, to contracts, to promotion, and everything in between. Whites are openly discriminated against, held back, and judged not by the content of their character or their abilities, but rather on the unfortunate mistake of having been born with less pigment in their skin than people who get promoted based on gender, skin color, or minority status.

Seems like your own, err, "special" reasoning could be turned on this position. So much for needing something like absolute cultural homogeneity for racial biases to exist in the system. But otherwise, lol. No, doc; it is overwhelmingly beneficial, on average, to be white in the United States due to a large range of racial advantages that constitute "white privilege." Gainsaying this, in part because you appear to refuse to engage academics above a ludicrous strawman level, doesn't help anything.

I mean, if you're going to stick to your guns by all means you're free to do so. I'm an egalitarian, so I believe people should be considered on merit, not the color of their skin. Have you given up your job to a POC, yet?

How does one quantify White Privilege in order to equitably discriminate against White People?

Who is advocating a quantifying discrimination and rectifying it by discriminating against white people in equal measure?

Apparently people who're interested in using White Privilege as a tool to be a bigot?

I can't tell if this is your fun house mirror description of affirmative action or if you have something else in mind, but white privilege being a thing doesn't logically demand any particular solution and no one here is advocating anything like what you describe.

The only weird funhouse thing that's happening right now is you and others using this nebulous term to rope in anyone who doesn't share your brand of rightness as a bigot. It's the oddest thing to behold open bigotry being trumpeted as a salve. Absolutely nuts.

- Doc

[_EAllusion]

Why are Asian kids suspended at lower rates if it's predicated upon raaaaaacism?

Why thank you for bringing up this trenchant argument normally found in talking point lists of white supremacists that tend to make for some odd cultural phenomena.

Asian-Americans do not suffer from racial stereotyping as violent. In fact, they tend to be stereotyped as non-threatening and studious. The American Asian population is also disproportionately well-to-do. But hey, if school suspension disparities among races have nothing to do with racial biases as is overwhelmingly found in academic research, then why do teachers recommend harsher punishments, including suspensions, for fictional student behavior records if those students have a black-sounding name as compared to a white sounding one? How does that work? Or how come school suspension rates correlate very nicely with % of black students attending, but do not correlate with reported violence or drug activity? Or why is it that studies find that black students are significantly more likely to be suspended for subjective offenses like loitering than their white counterparts?

Or, not to put too fine a point on it, but why is it that black students are much more likely to be suspended even when you control for every other conceivable factor including disparities in behavior?

Who is advocating a quantifying discrimination and rectifying it by discriminating against white people in equal measure?

Apparently people who're interested in using White Privilege as a tool to be a bigot?

Have you met any of these people here outside of the voices in your head?

[_Doctor CamNC4Me]

Why are Asian kids suspended at lower rates if it's predicated upon raaaaaacism?

Why thank you for bringing up this trenchant argument normally found in a talking point lists of white supremacists that tend to make for some odd cultural phenomena.

Asian-Americans do not suffer from racial stereotyping as violent. In fact, they tend to be stereotyped as non-threatening and studious. The American Asian population is also disproportionately well-to-do. But hey, if school suspension disparities among races have nothing to do with racial biases as is overwhelmingly found in academic research, then why do teachers recommend harsher punishments, including suspensions, for fictional student behavior records if those students have a black-sounding name as compared to a white sounding one? How does that work? Or how come school suspension rates correlate very nicely with % of black students attending, but do not correlate with reported violence or drug activity? Or why is it that studies find that black students are significantly more likely to be suspended for subjective offenses like loitering than their white counterparts?

Or, not to put too fine a point on it, but why is it that black students are much more likely to be suspended even when you control for every other conceivable factor including disparities in behavior?

Who is advocating a quantifying discrimination and rectifying it by discriminating against white people in equal measure?

Apparently people who're interested in using White Privilege as a tool to be a bigot?

Have you met any of these people here outside of the voices in your head?

One will note that one is always guilty no matter how the argument is made or how facts and opinions are presented.

Who advocates for egalitarianism based on merit, and who is the one who finds a racist bogeyman behind every tree and justifies using discrimination based on skin color rather than work ethic, behavior, and ability?

Now. Call it a hunch. But I'm fairly certain EA hasn't offered his job up to a deserving POC. I know I know. Say it ain't so. I'm absolutely certain that White Boy will find some justification for his White Privilege being negated because he facilitates some goodies to some POCs here and there, but couldn't a POC do that job better since they're, you know, uniquely informed on the injustices of having to exist in this racist and economically unfair country?

Where is The King of the Blacks to weigh in on this discussion?

eta: One will also note that it's apparently ok for a White Male to trot black and "latinx" children out as examples of oppression, as if they're something to be used or displayed to win a political point. That is about as racist as it gets.

- Doc

[_huckelberry]

Spaniards (I don't know the ethnic term for them, my bad Other White People).

Sxxxxxx.

Often used towards Puerto Rican's as well.

the word has nothing to do with people from Spain. It is the N word equivalent for darker skinned people speaking Spanish.

[_honorentheos]

What the bloody hell is going on with this thread? Anyone?

I don't know why it's surprising a thread that started with a promotion of Prager U, highlighted a video on white privilege, frequently referred to the OP's feigned ignorance of what that meant, and handed off to Cam who threw jet fuel on the issue - along with hilarious attempts to demonstrate racism isn't a thing by being racist by the way because that was awesome - has become a thread about whether or not it's screwed up that culturally engrained racial biases are disputed strongest by those who benefit from them. Though Cam should be acknowledged for not disputing it so much as arguing it's just how the world works.

Anyway, the dots were more or less lined up. This wasn't the result of a hard left, or right as it were, somewhere in the thread.

[_huckelberry]

One will note that one is always guilty no matter how the argument is made or how facts and opinions are presented.

Who advocates for egalitarianism based on merit, and who is the one who finds a racist bogeyman behind every tree and justifies using discrimination based on skin color rather than work ethic, behavior, and ability?

Now. Call it a hunch. But I'm fairly certain EAllusion hasn't offered his job up to a deserving POC. I know I know. Say it ain't so. I'm absolutely certain that White Boy will find some justification for his White Privilege being negated because he facilitates some goodies to some POCs here and there, but couldn't a POC do that job better since they're, you know, uniquely informed on the injustices of having to exist in this racist and economically unfair country?

Where is The King of the Blacks to weigh in on this discussion?

eta: One will also note that it's apparently ok for a White Male to trot black and "latinx" children out as examples of oppression, as if they're something to be used or displayed to win a political point. That is about as racist as it gets.

- Doc

I cannot imagine why EAllusion should give up his job."about as racist as it gets" , you have fallen into hysteria. Surely you are not unaware of what real racism does with a rope.

[_Doctor CamNC4Me]

I cannot imagine why EAllusion should give up his job."about as racist as it gets" , you have fallen into hysteria. Surely you are not unaware of what real racism does with a rope.

I see. It's hysterical to expect a White Man who benefits from White Privilege to give his job to a POC.

Holy. crap. That's racist.

Also, are you talking about lynchings? Why don't you just say lynching? Lynching was awful. Why in the world are you talking about lynchings when I'm simply discussing the hypocrisy of someone bitching and moaning about White Privilege by the very people who not only benefit from it, but refuse to give their jobs to POCs?

Also, how many White people were murdered, raped, and robbed by minorities over the course of the last 80 years because they were White? Can that even be discussed, or is our hysteria over White Privilege so insane we can't keep statistics that show White people are targeted with violence for being White? How would we know?

- Doc

[_Some Schmo]

you have fallen into hysteria.

I believe this is what an aneurysm looks like in real time.

[_EAllusion]

DocCam - If you believe white privilege exists, then you would give up your job to a racial minority. You haven't ergo, you are dishonest or a hypocrite.

That first inference is spectacularly bad, but I'd be entertained by an effort to actually justify it.