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DocCam - If you believe white privilege exists, then you would give up your job to a racial minority. You haven't ergo, you are dishonest or a hypocrite.

That first inference is spectacularly bad, but I'd be entertained by an effort to actually justify it.

I get there's no chance in Hell you'd ever actually live your ethos, but I just want it on record you think giving a qualified POC your job is ridiculous. You could literally help someone overcome the White Privilege obstacle, you could demonstrably check your own White Privilege, and you could rest easy knowing you leveled the playing field in both practice and theory.

Like slavery and apartheid, poverty is not natural. It is man-made and it can be overcome and eradicated by the actions of human beings. It's clear to me EA isn't one of those human beings.

#RunUsOurLand #Reparations #YouGonLearnToday #RunUsOurMoney

- Doc

[_Doctor CamNC4Me]

you have fallen into hysteria.

I believe this is what an aneurysm looks like in real time.

Man, it's really unfortunate your mother's attempt at an abortion didn't take.

- Doc

[_canpakes]

What's insane to me is the argument that White PrivilegeTM exists systemically. In order for this stupid and redundant claim to be made one would have to believe that White People are homogeneous enough to actually find ways for the system to favor random White People based off their skin color alone.

That's patently absurd. What kind of White People are we talking about here? WAPs? Mics? Macs? Krauts? Jews? Limeys? Slavs? Spaniards (I don't know the ethnic term for them, my bad Other White People). Mormons? Burgers? Canucks? Ozzies? Sheep idiots? Rednecks? Carpetbaggers? Frogs?

Whoa, Doc. Back away from the RubySnaps. Too much sugar.

To your question above:

When I lived in Phoenix, I ran across an interesting bit of history about it. Turns out that up until the mid-Seventies, if you were a black family and trying to buy a home in that city you were pretty much shown properties in only one particular part of town. Any attempt to purchase elsewhere was met by realtors either not willing to show certain listings to the potential buyers or finding creative ways to make sure that a deal could not be completed for those properties that were otherwise stumbled upon accidentally by black clients.

This isn’t made up. It’s how things were, just barely 50 years ago.

There was no secret cabal of Whites who got together under the old oak tree in the local park, at midnite to discuss and strategize this reality. Yet, without any collaboration, it managed to happen for decades. How was that so?

An interesting side effect of such a practice is that there are a good number of non-white homeowners in the US (like, probably millions) out there who, by virtue of skin color alone, have been unable to build the same kind of equity and property wealth over time and through market appreciation, as their white peers, even though they did exactly all of the right things, in exactly all of the same ways. Yet, their futures, and that of their children for a generation or more, will be affected by this discriminatory practice.

It really doesn’t take a massive and secret conspiracy to create a reality in which the dominant demographic can create a social and financial landscape that favors that demographic, with impacts that can stretch across generations. Nothing about that concept should be unfathomable, or sound fantastic.

[_Doctor CamNC4Me]

What's insane to me is the argument that White PrivilegeTM exists systemically. In order for this stupid and redundant claim to be made one would have to believe that White People are homogeneous enough to actually find ways for the system to favor random White People based off their skin color alone.

That's patently absurd. What kind of White People are we talking about here? WAPs? Mics? Macs? Krauts? Jews? Limeys? Slavs? Spaniards (I don't know the ethnic term for them, my bad Other White People). Mormons? Burgers? Canucks? Ozzies? Sheep idiots? Rednecks? Carpetbaggers? Frogs?

Whoa, Doc. Back away from the RubySnaps. Too much sugar.

How. How did you know...

To your question above:

When I lived in Phoenix, I ran across an interesting bit of history about it. Turns out that up until the mid-Seventies, if you were a black family and trying to buy a home in that city you were pretty much shown properties in only one particular part of town. Any attempt to purchase elsewhere was met by realtors either not willing to show certain listings to the potential buyers or finding creative ways to make sure that a deal could not be completed for those properties that were otherwise stumbled upon accidentally by black clients.

This isn’t made up. It’s how things were, just barely 50 years ago.

There was no secret cabal of Whites who got together under the old oak tree in the local park, at midnite to discuss and strategize this reality. Yet, without any collaboration, it managed to happen for decades. How was that so?

An interesting side effect of such a practice is that there are a good number of non-white homeowners in the US (like, probably millions) out there who, by virtue of skin color alone, have been unable to build the same kind of equity and property wealth over time and through market appreciation, as their white peers, even though they did exactly all of the right things, in exactly all of the same ways. Yet, their futures, and that of their children for a generation or more, will be affected by this discriminatory practice.

It really doesn’t take a massive and secret conspiracy to create a reality in which the dominant demographic can create a social and financial landscape that favors that demographic, with impacts that can stretch across generations. Nothing about that concept should be unfathomable, or sound fantastic.

I'm glad you brought up real estate from 50 years ago to prove White Privilege exists today. Here is how White People who genuinely believe White Privilege exists today can change this racial disparity:

https://www.leoweekly.com/2017/08/white-people/

White people, here are 10 requests from a Black Lives Matter leader

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[This article is part of a package covering Louisville’s reaction to Charlottesville. Check out the other pieces, including Ricky Jones’ column “Black People Should Arm Themselves Now!” and Erica Rucker’s “America… where are you going?”]

Some things I’m thinking about that should change (in that Southern, black grandmama voice):

1. White people, if you don’t have any descendants, will your property to a black or brown family. Preferably one that lives in generational poverty.

2. White people, if you’re inheriting property you intend to sell upon acceptance, give it to a black or brown family. You’re bound to make that money in some other white privileged way.

3. If you are a developer or realty owner of multi-family housing, build a sustainable complex in a black or brown blighted neighborhood and let black and brown people live in it for free.

4. White people, if you can afford to downsize, give up the home you own to a black or brown family. Preferably a family from generational poverty.

5. White people, if any of the people you intend to leave your property to are racists assholes, change the will, and will your property to a black or brown family. Preferably a family from generational poverty.

6. White people, re-budget your monthly so you can donate to black funds for land purchasing.

7. White people, especially white women (because this is yaw specialty — Nosey Jenny and Meddling Kathy), get a racist fired. Yaw know what the “F” they be saying. You are complicit when you ignore them. Get your boss fired cause they racist too.

8. Backing up No. 7, this should be easy but all those sheetless Klan, Nazi’s and Other lil’ dick-white men will all be returning to work. Get they ass fired. Call the police even: they look suspicious.

9. OK, backing up No. 8, if any white person at your work, or as you enter in spaces and you overhear a white person praising the actions from yesterday, first, get a pic. Get their name and more information. Hell, find out where they work — Get Them Fired. But certainly address them, and, if you need to, you got hands: use them.

10. Commit to two things: Fighting white supremacy where and how you can (this doesn’t mean taking up knitting, unless you’re making scarves for black and brown kids in need), and funding black and brown people and their work.

I want commitments from the White People on this board that truly believe White Privilege exists today to follow through on requests 1-6.

Who is willing to put their White Privilege where their mouths are at?

- Doc

[_EAllusion]

DocCam - If you believe white privilege exists, then you would give up your job to a racial minority. You haven't ergo, you are dishonest or a hypocrite.

That first inference is spectacularly bad, but I'd be entertained by an effort to actually justify it.

I get there's no chance in Hell you'd ever actually live your ethos, but I just want it on record you think giving a qualified POC your job is ridiculous. You could literally help someone overcome the White Privilege obstacle, you could demonstrably check your own White Privilege, and you could rest easy knowing you leveled the playing field in both practice and theory.

Like slavery and apartheid, poverty is not natural. It is man-made and it can be overcome and eradicated by the actions of human beings. It's clear to me EAllusion isn't one of those human beings.

#RunUsOurLand #Reparations #YouGonLearnToday #RunUsOurMoney

- Doc

Reasserting isn't justifying. Pro-tip.

[_Ceeboo]

What the bloody hell is going on with this thread? Anyone?

I'll tell you but I need to be careful because although I am a citizen of this country, I am also a white male - which is seen as much more important than being an American citizen by some people. So, in addition to having to live with that heavy burden and guilt, I am also forced into being grouped among all white people in the entire country - We are seen as one, thus I need to check my personal white privilege before I pretend to speak as an individual.

Like many other political threads around these parts, differing expressions of individual thought and opinions aren't very welcome. Why? Because individual thoughts and opinions prevent the inappropriate pigeonholing of people into enormous groups of people based on race/ethnicity. Some folks love grouping people almost as much as they love race and ethnicity and seeing people as individuals doesn't allow them to see them as merely a part of a larger group.

Diversity, to some, is only accepted if you adhere to their terms and/or definition of what diversity is - which is almost always entirely based on race/ethnicity. In my mind, the richness and deep values of diversity is found in individuals - It's about the diversity of individual thought - diversity of individual opinions - and the diversity of differing individual opinions. These values can be found at the very core of what America is all about and It has direct connections to our individual liberties. It's as American as apple pie...................................

[_Doctor CamNC4Me]

I get there's no chance in Hell you'd ever actually live your ethos, but I just want it on record you think giving a qualified POC your job is ridiculous. You could literally help someone overcome the White Privilege obstacle, you could demonstrably check your own White Privilege, and you could rest easy knowing you leveled the playing field in both practice and theory.

Like slavery and apartheid, poverty is not natural. It is man-made and it can be overcome and eradicated by the actions of human beings. It's clear to me EAllusion isn't one of those human beings.

#RunUsOurLand #Reparations #YouGonLearnToday #RunUsOurMoney

- Doc

Reasserting isn't justifying. Pro-tip.

Well, apparently you disagree with Nelson Mandela and the BLM movement. Not a good look for you.

- Doc

[_honorentheos]

And yet it isn't something that you can legitimately demonstrate you value. Your claims are insincere lies you apparently tell yourself to avoid dealing with substance as evidenced by what you chose to share and how you chose to respond on these threads. So you get ridicule instead because it's the only thing you respond to or provide in return.

[_Ceeboo]

Your claims are insincere lies

Repeating your personal opinions about me, over and over, is your choice. This is America after all.

[_EAllusion]

Well, apparently you disagree with Nelson Mandela and the BLM movement. Not a good look for you.

- Doc

Sure Doc.

You think that privileged people should give up their entire livelihood and possessions to those disfavored in society and that, quoting you, " the system itself promotes women and privileged minorities over Whites and un-privileged minorities at virtually every echelon, from education, to grants, to contracts, to promotion, and everything in between. Whites are openly discriminated against, held back, and judged not by the content of their character or their abilities, but rather on the unfortunate mistake of having been born with less pigment in their skin than people who get promoted based on gender, skin color, or minority status."

The logical multiplication here is you think minorities, at least those more fortunate than you, should be giving their livelihoods to you. Have you had an opportunity to share this well-thought out position you honestly hold with them?