A taste of Prager U

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honorentheos wrote:
canpakes wrote:Individual freedom shouldn’t be used as an excuse for any behavior that one wants to exhibit. It implies a responsibility to ourselves and community to act with deliberation, maturity, and for consideration of those around us as well.

Seriously, “no man is an island” shouldn’t need to be reiterated this often.

You may need to be more specific in addressing the context for ceebs' comment. He imagines that if government interference were removed, all judgements would be made based on merit. It dismisses the idea that bias is real and has consequences ranging from insignificant to down right life-changing in devastating ways. There is a Westphalian optimism that stems out of one's dare-I-say-privileged experience extended onto everyone else without reflection.

Yes, it would be great if we were always guided by our better angels. But that isn’t human nature, and we have the entirety of history to use as demonstration for mankind’s general proclivity to be unkind and unjust to each other, many times with tragic and wide-ranging results.

But, I’m sure that we’re all going to get all of that right this time.
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huckelberry wrote: I think, as you have described, the negatives of the radical left have weakened the whole Democratic party.


I think us Democrats have a real problem within our ranks, and this translated to Trump winning the Presidency along with the GOP controlling the House. We need to be honest and real about the reasons why we lose elections, and figure out ways to include blue collar White males who could easily vote for us if we weren't such assholes to them. I voted for Clinton, but felt like she really missed the boat when she ditched this tactic:

https://www.hillaryclinton.com/issues/f ... structure/

She could've met them half way by committing to double the border patrol, playing it off as a national security thing (but sending the message she would hire, say, vets so she wins veterans, jobs creation people, and security minded types) AND hyperfocusing on getting swing states immediately employed by buildng crap.

Whites look past them being constantly villified and vote Democrat because Hillary Clinton is strong on jobs and national security. Too. damned. Easy.

And she damned lost to Trump.

Why? Because nutjob psychopaths like our resident chinchilla are the voice and energy of our Party. Good luck with that in 2020.

- Doc
In the face of madness, rationality has no power - Xiao Wang, US historiographer, 2287 AD.

Every record...falsified, every book rewritten...every statue...has been renamed or torn down, every date...altered...the process is continuing...minute by minute. History has stopped. Nothing exists except an endless present in which the Ideology is always right.
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Georgia is systematically closing down polling locations in areas with large black population density. It’s also finding way to systematically purge black voters from registration lists. The suppressive effect of this is large enough to be old timey Jim Crow levels of disenfranchisement.

You can’t disentangle racism from why this happens, but the primary reason it does is blacks tend to vote Democrat and Republicans in the state want to prevent Democrats from voting and have opted to do so by targeting a Democrat demographic. That’s not a racist motive per se. It’s a lack of concern for de facto racial discrimination, which is something that can be called racist.

This creates a white privilege. Specifically, if you are white and live in Georgia, your burden for voting is likely easier than if you are black. Likewise, you have to worry less about the government thinking up ways to deny your voice in your government. One would forgive you if you thought your government thought of you as less than a full citizen if you are black. Does this mean every white person has an easier time voting than every black person? No. Of course not. That is not what the privilege is.

Pointing this out doesn’t commit you to any particular solution. Believing it is real, and it is, doesn’t mean every 4th white person needs to be turned away at the polls to equal it out. It doesn’t mean you have to phone up a black person and vote how they tell you. Obviously. Those are silly strawmen, but right in line with Doc’s “reasoning.” And denying reality doesn’t make you more virtuous or moderate.
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EAllusion wrote:Georgia is systematically closing down polling locations in areas with large black population density.

At the very least, this is an example of extreme and clear discrimination. It should not be tolerated in this country and it needs to be rectified, immediately. Awful!
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Ceeboo wrote:
EAllusion wrote:Georgia is systematically closing down polling locations in areas with large black population density.

At the very least, this is an example of extreme and clear discrimination. It should not be tolerated in this country and it needs to be rectified, immediately. Awful!

Hmm. How do we rectify it?
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Georgia is systematically closing down polling locations in areas with large black population density. It’s also finding way to systematically purge black voters from registration lists. The suppressive effect of this is large enough to be old timey Jim Crow levels of disenfranchisement.

Good luck finding a video about that at PragerU. Prager’s too busy defending folks that call the cops on black folks wanting to use a restroom in a Starbucks.
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Ceeboo wrote:
EAllusion wrote:Georgia is systematically closing down polling locations in areas with large black population density.

At the very least, this is an example of extreme and clear discrimination. It should not be tolerated in this country and it needs to be rectified, immediately. Awful!


Because of the post - I started reading about this (I hadn't seen/read/heard about this story before) and in one article this is what, in part, the board claims.

Members of the Randolph County Board of Elections say their proposal to close the polling places has absolutely nothing to do with suppressing the black vote, but everything to do with polling places that are not in compliance with the Americans with Disabilities Act.

I have zero knowledge about polling locations as they relate to "compliance with Americans with Disabilities Act" - so I have no idea if that makes any sense - or if that is a valid reason. Just posted it to add to the discussion.

for what it's worth, I think making it compliant would have been the solution (If that was the problem?)
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https://www.motherjones.com/politics/20 ... is-prager/

Since 2012, PragerU has posted nearly 300 similarly digestible videos. Some of them dabble in topics like parenting or financial advice, but most cover core conservative doctrines. Delivering tidy arguments without the Limbaughesque acid reflux, they have accrued, collectively, just over 1 billion views—nearly 700 million in 2017 alone, according to marketing director Craig Strazzeri.

At PragerU, police are not biased against black men, and man-made climate change is debatable. You’ll find takes on animal rights (against), the $15 minimum wage (against), the gender wage gap (doesn’t exist), and why the South turned Republican (nothing to do with race). Prager has hosted a few dozen videos himself, including “Just Say ‘Merry Christmas,'” his take on the “war on Christmas” genre, and “He Wants You,” an apologia for men who ogle women. He personally approves every item, edits every script, and courts “faculty,” including heavy hitters such as Dinesh D’Souza, Steve Forbes, and former White House press secretary Dana Perino. Some presenters, like Harvard Law professor Alan Dershowitz, are credentialed. Others, like comedian Adam Carolla, merely speak with the confidence of people who are.
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canpakes wrote:
Georgia is systematically closing down polling locations in areas with large black population density. It’s also finding way to systematically purge black voters from registration lists. The suppressive effect of this is large enough to be old timey Jim Crow levels of disenfranchisement.

Good luck finding a video about that at PragerU. Prager’s too busy defending folks that call the cops on black folks wanting to use a restroom in a Starbucks.


It took two seconds to google the issue. 3 out of 8 were in majority black precincts, one was closed because no one showed up, and the other was moved because of fear of black on black violence. Most people aren't even voting at polling stations now. EA crapping out this kind of lying and disingenous nonsense that infects our Party is exactly the problem, and good people like Canpakes gobbles it up. It takes an inordinate amount of time to fact check and counter these lies, and when yoh do people like EA are onto the next one. Basically he and his ilk are Leftist Trump's.

This is the game, and this is why bridging the divide will never happen.

- Doc
In the face of madness, rationality has no power - Xiao Wang, US historiographer, 2287 AD.

Every record...falsified, every book rewritten...every statue...has been renamed or torn down, every date...altered...the process is continuing...minute by minute. History has stopped. Nothing exists except an endless present in which the Ideology is always right.
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Doctor CamNC4Me wrote:It took two seconds to google the issue. 3 out of 8 were in majority black precincts, one was closed because no one showed up, and the other was moved because of fear of black on black violence. Most people aren't even voting at polling stations now. EAllusion crapping out this kind of lying and disingenous nonsense that infects our Party is exactly the problem, and good people like Canpakes gobbles it up. It takes an inordinate amount of time to fact check and counter these lies, and when yoh do people like EAllusion are onto the next one. Basically he and his ilk are Leftist Trump's.

This is the game, and this is why bridging the divide will never happen.

- Doc

There are nine stations of which 7 are to be closed in the county. Here's the Newsweek article on it -

The board of elections for a rural, southwest county in Georgia that consists of mostly black voters wants to eliminate all but two of the county’s polling locations just months before the midterm elections because they’re not in compliance with disabilities laws.

During a “courtesy” meeting Thursday night, the Randolph County Board of Elections, a county located near the Georgia-Alabama border, informed residents of the possibility that seven of the nine voting locations would be eliminated since the county did not have time to make them wheelchair accessible before the midterms, according to local media reports.

The seven locations they want to close are not in compliance with the Americans with Disabilities Act, which requires wheelchair accessibility to all public buildings. As a solution, one board member suggested voters could still apply for an absentee ballot by mail.

Randolph County has a small population, 7,000 people, with black people making up 61 percent. The American Civil Liberties Union of Georgia said one of the proposed locations to be closed has a 96 percent black population of registered voters. The median household income is just a little over $30,000 per year with a poverty rate of 30 percent, according to statistics from the U.S. Census Bureau.

Leaving the county with just two polling locations in a county that does not have adequate public transportation, ACLU said, would make it considerably harder for rural residents to make it to the polls.

In a letter sent to the Randolph County Board of Elections threatening legal action against the county, ACLU Georgia claimed the timing of the proposal was suspicious because the exact same polling locations were used in recent elections earlier this year and because the first black female gubernatorial nominee, Stacey Abrams, will be on the ballot in November.

“We have expected high turnout this fall. You have to ask, why were these polling places enough for the primary and runoff earlier this year, but not good enough for this November’s election?” the letter said. “The timing is very suspicious.”


Your summary got the numbers wrong, the scope of the issue wrong, and the complaint wrong.

What's up with that, Cam?
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