Worst President in History

[_ajax18]

I disagree with the notion that Trump hasn't raised our taxes. President Trump has imposed tariffs. Link

The tarrifs might help America to negotiate better trade deals. We could end up benefiting more than we realized possible.

[_MeDotOrg]

I saw this comment in a YouTube thread that made me laugh:

George Washington: I cannot tell a lie
Donald Trump: I cannot tell the truth
Trump voter: I cannot tell the difference

Might I add an addendum?

George Washington: I cannot tell a lie
Donald Trump: I cannot tell the truth
Trump voter: I cannot tell the difference
Rudy Giuliani: The difference doesn't matter

[_Themis]

He has decreased taxes a lot for the wealthy now so you can pay a lot more taxes later to pay the Chinese their interest on a massive debt.

The debt is so huge after Obama that I doubt they'll ever pay it down. We could still get rid of social welfare programs and be back in the black in no time. The people robbing from our children and grandchildren are the ones collecting social security and disability.

And you still cannot blame Trump who is pushing the US full speed towards bankruptcy.

[_Some Schmo]

George Washington: I cannot tell a lie
Donald Trump: I cannot tell the truth
Trump voter: I cannot tell the difference
Rudy Giuliani: The difference doesn't matter

Yep, Giuliani seems to have taken up Newt Gingrich's post-truth BS in spectacularly idiotic fashion (which is to say, only idiots are buying it).

[Guest]

When one considers how many former Trump advisors and associates have already been indicted and in some cases have already confessed or been convicted of serious crimes, the latest being Michael Cohen, who has confessed that he Arranged Payments to Women at Trump’s Direction,

Michael D. Cohen, President Trump’s former fixer, pleaded guilty on Tuesday to breaking campaign finance laws and other charges. He made the extraordinary admission that he arranged payments to two women “at the direction of the candidate,” referring to Mr. Trump, to secure their silence about affairs they said they had with Mr. Trump.

Mr. Cohen told a judge in United States District Court in Manhattan that the payments were “for the principal purpose of influencing the election” for president in 2016.

Mr. Cohen also pleaded guilty to multiple counts of tax evasion and bank fraud, bringing to a close a monthslong investigation by Manhattan federal prosecutors who examined his personal business dealings and his role in helping to arrange financial deals with women connected to Mr. Trump.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/michael-cohen-says-he-arranged-payments-to-women-at-trump

how can any sane person seriously dismiss the likelihood that Trump himself is guilty of serious wrongdoing? At the very least, Trump is guilty of such abysmally poor judgement in his choices of advisors and confidants that that in itself should disqualify him from holding any high, government position of any kind, let alone President!

You people who still blindly support Trump, do you seriously still believe he is innocent of serious wrongdoing, or do you just not care how guilty and dishonest he is or what he is guilty of, as long as he claims or seems to support what you are desperately determined to believe in?

[_ajax18]

The idea that people don't favor your highly restrictive and cruel approaches to immigration policy don't believe in "enforcing our borders" is a strawman.

My restrictive and cruel approach to immigration is the current democratically established law of the land. The fact that our government refuses to enforce what the majority of the country wants and voted for is no strawman.

I unfortunately talked politics with an East German immigrant the other day. I said I believed we should be able to have borders. He countered that we shouldn't. What gives you the right to the economic opportunities of a developed country just because of where you were born. He also didn't believe people should be allowed to leave an inheritance to their posterity so I guess this fits with open borders. All estates should be forfeited to the state when a person dies. I asked if he grew up in poverty. He replied, "No everyone was equal in East Germany." He said he's seen communism work. I asked why he immigrated to the most capitalist country on earth. No answer. He said the happiest people in the world lived on very little in Latin America. I asked why they are all coming to the US? No answer.

Open borders, global communism, even outlawing inheritance, is very much a part of the core beliefs of democratic socialists here in the US.

[_Gunnar]

Ajax, your anecdotal account of the opinions of one East German immigrant is totally irrelevant to what the majority of Democrats' attitude towards immigration and border security is or should be.

[_ajax18]

Ajax, your anecdotal account of the opinions of one East German immigrant is totally irrelevant to what the majority of Democrats' attitude towards immigration and border security is or should be.

How about Schmo's view that borders between countries should be no different than borders between states?

Just out of curiosity Gunnar, do you believe people should be permitted to leave inheritances for their children? Or should all assets become property of the federal goverment at death to be redistributed? Do you have locks on your doors? If so, what gives you the right to have money and property when other people don't?

[_Gunnar]

Ajax, your anecdotal account of the opinions of one East German immigrant is totally irrelevant to what the majority of Democrats' attitude towards immigration and border security is or should be.

How about Schmo's view that borders between countries should be no different than borders between states?

Is that really Schmo's view? Where did he say that? I'm not confident that is really his view. You have a deplorable penchant jumping to incorrect conclusions about someone else's view is. Nevertheless, in an Ideal world where everyone and every nation treated each other amicably and fairly, that would be an ideal worth working towards. Unfortunately, thanks to despots like Trump and Putin, and the prevalence of dishonesty, intolerance and bigotry, this is not yet close to being an ideal world.

Just out of curiosity Gunnar, do you believe people should be permitted to leave inheritances for their children? Or should all assets become property of the federal goverment at death to be redistributed? Do you have locks on your doors? If so, what gives you the right to have money and property when other people don't?

You sometimes seem to have an extremely binary view that everyone is either a hard right, everyone-for-himself-only, uncharitable and intolerant bigot like yourself or an extreme communist who insists that everything must be owned in common with no right to claim individual ownership of anything, with nothing in between. Of course I believe that people should be permitted to leave inheritances for their children! What have I ever said that would lead you to believe otherwise? I also believe, though, that one should encourage the children to be self-reliant and earn their own way, and not leave one's children with such a huge inheritance that they are set up for life, and never have to exert themselves or learn anything worthwhile to survive. Of course, in my case, I am never likely to have that large an inheritance to leave to my children.

Yes, of course I have locks on my doors! This is both for the safety of myself and my family and safeguarding my property from those who would take it from me without my permission. One doesn't have to be a hard right conservative to acknowledge the right to own and protect one's own property. The mere fact that others may not have as much money or property as I do does not negate that right. It should, however, morally obligate one to be charitable and honest towards others who may be less fortunate (even if not of one's own race or ethnicity).

Now, how about answering the questions I asked up thread:

how can any sane person seriously dismiss the likelihood that Trump himself is guilty of serious wrongdoing? At the very least, Trump is guilty of such abysmally poor judgement in his choices of advisors and confidants that that in itself should disqualify him from holding any high, government position of any kind, let alone President!

You people who still blindly support Trump, do you seriously still believe he is innocent of serious wrongdoing, or do you just not care how guilty and dishonest he is or what he is guilty of, as long as he claims or seems to support what you are desperately determined to believe in?

[_ajax18]

Of course I believe that people should be permitted to leave inheritances for their children! What have I ever said that would lead you to believe otherwise?

What gives you the right to inherit money just because you were born by chance to wealthy people?

Yes, of course I have locks on my doors! This is both for the safety of myself and my family and safeguarding my property from those who would take it from me without my permission.

Aren't locks a waste of money just like a border wall? What gives you the right to deny other human beings use of your property? You should allow people to redistribute your property as they see fit otherwise you're a selfish and racist bigot. The government shouldn't have to make you do this. It should come of your own volition.