Some Schmo wrote:It's a weird thing that a Drumpf supporter can't understand respecting a war hero. I wonder why that is? So strange.
Nor can Trump-aligned candidates :
Arizona Senate candidate Kelli Ward suggested that the announcement Friday that the treatment of Senator John McCain's cancer was being discontinued was timed to hurt her campaign.
Hours after Ward made the accusation, McCain died, aged 81.
A former state senator, Ward is one of three candidates vying to replace retiring Arizona Senator Jeff Flake, and is a longtime critic of McCain.
In response to the Friday announcement by McCain's family that the senator's treatment for brain cancer would not continue, Ward commented on Facebook that "I think they wanted to have a particular narrative that they hope is negative to me."
Doctor CamNC4Me wrote: ...the Palin thing was unforgivable.
Agreed. Unfortunately, he’ll likely be most remembered for this alone.
I think he should be remembered for his warmongering, too. I saw that he said, "[the Iraq war] can’t be judged as anything other than a mistake, a very serious one, and I have to accept my share of the blame for it."
Granted he wrote that recently, so I'm not sure if it was a deathbed absolution thing, or a genuine shift on policy. I have no idea.
- Doc
In the face of madness, rationality has no power - Xiao Wang, US historiographer, 2287 AD.
Every record...falsified, every book rewritten...every statue...has been renamed or torn down, every date...altered...the process is continuing...minute by minute. History has stopped. Nothing exists except an endless present in which the Ideology is always right.
George W. Bush's name is forever tied to neoconservatism, but McCain is the political figure who best embodied neoconservative thought and he was their most prized political figure. As such, the man never met a potential war he didn't like. It's hard to forget him singing "Bomb Iran" to the tune of the Beach Boys' "Barbara Ann." I haven't looked yet, but I imagine the Weekly Standard is taking McCain's death extremely hard.
Regarding Palin, it's clear that Donald Trump is prefigured in her rise within conservative culture. Palin is a proto-Trump figure through and through. From time to time, I wonder if Donald Trump and her represent an inevitability within the party due to structural factors or if Palin being picked in a hail mary fluke somehow primed the pump for Trump in a way that wouldn't have happened otherwise. I don't know. If there's no current conservatism without the Palin circus, then I'd agree that picking Palin is a cardinal sin. If someone like her was poised to rise any moment anyway, then it doesn't bother me as much. Still a horrible decision either way in retrospect, though.
Lindsey Graham is the other neocon's neocon. I'd think he'd take the mantle next as the Weekly Standard crowd's golden boy, but he's been on a really, really strange bout of Trump sycophancy as of late that might prevent that from happening.
Doctor CamNC4Me wrote:Seriously, though. Didn't McCain vote 95% Party line? Also, the Palin thing was unforgivable.
- Doc
He took the most money from the NRA. He had an obsession with bombing Iran. He was one of the Keating Five. So he definitely screwed up some stuff. He looked bigger than he was because the GOP had become so diminished even as it grew in power. Maybe their success corrupted them even more than before. I didn't think that was even possible. But...
Ajax wrote:You guys are only saying this because he voted to keep Onamacare and was an open borders proponent.
And you're only saying this because he voted to keep Onamacare and was an open borders proponent.
Lou Midgley 08/20/2020: "...meat wad," and "cockroach" are pithy descriptions of human beings used by gemli? They were not fashioned by Professor Peterson.
LM 11/23/2018: one can explain away the soul of human beings...as...a Meat Unit, to use Professor Peterson's clever derogatory description of gemli's ideology.
You guys are only saying this because he voted to keep Onamacare and was an open borders proponent.
Senator McCain did the right thing with his vote to not repeal Obamacare. There was no bipartisan support in repealing Obamacare. Repealing Obamacare would have also meant getting rid of the Medicaid expansion under Obamacare. And Arizona (McCain's state) here was one of the many states that expanded Medicaid under Obamacare.
Also, someone who is against mass deportation and is for amnesty for some of the individuals who entered the country illegally and having been in this country for many years does not mean that they are an open borders proponent.
George W. Bush's name is forever tied to neoconservatism, but McCain is the political figure who best embodied neoconservative thought and he was their most prized political figure. As such, the man never met a potential war he didn't like. It's hard to forget him singing "Bomb Iran" to the tune of the Beach Boys' "Barbara Ann." I haven't looked yet, but I imagine the Weekly Standard is taking McCain's death extremely hard.
in my opinion, McCain has mostly been a great Senator, but I don't think that he would have been a great President. He probably would have gotten our country in another war as President, and I think that the majority of the American people were correct to have voted for Obama over McCain even though I did vote for McCain back then.
"And I've said it before, you want to know what Joseph Smith looked like in Nauvoo, just look at Trump." - Fence Sitter
Also, someone who is against mass deportation and is for amnesty for some of the individuals who entered the country illegally and having been in this country for many years does not mean that they are an open borders proponent.
If you're not willing to enforce the border evenly and consistently according to democratically established law, you might as well be for open borders because the result is the same. To me any kind of exceptions made to democratically established immigration law is treason against the working American taxpayer.
And when the confederates saw Jackson standing fearless as a stone wall the army of Northern Virginia took courage and drove the federal army off their land.
John McCain served in Vietnam, a war whose serviced I dodged and marched against. He was a man with whom I agreed on probably most issues. He would be the first to admit he could be a difficult man with an explosive temper who could be very cutting.
But if I could use a Yiddish word here, John McCain was a true mensch, a man of integrity and honor, a stand-up guy.
Michelle Obama said that the Presidency doesn't change who you are, it reveals who you are. I daresay the same thing could be said about being a POW. One of the things I will never forget about McCain is when he stood up against those who called Obama a Muslim or questioned his patriotism.
He was a person with whom you could disagree on politics, but not question his motivation. And he and his integrity will be missed.
"The great problem of any civilization is how to rejuvenate itself without rebarbarization." - Will Durant "We've kept more promises than we've even made" - Donald Trump "Of what meaning is the world without mind? The question cannot exist." - Edwin Land