A taste of Prager U

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honorentheos wrote:It is absurd. It was absurd to try and shut down polling stations weeks away from a critical midterm election after the same stations had been used for the primary. It's absurd that the sitting SoS can both actively serve in that capacity in Georgia while also running for governor. It's absurd that these attempts, successful or not, have been going on for years including a failed attempt in the county where Atlanta is located just last year.

No one is arguing there is no time or place for restructuring or organizing in order to modernize and be more cost effective. But you are talking about the same SoS who has been under significant pressure for years to update their voting system because it's easily hackable and yet gave no "F"s.

For example -

https://www.politico.com/magazine/story ... ure-219018

DHS said Russian hackers had probed websites in the 21 states looking for vulnerabilities, and in at least one state—Illinois—they found a vulnerability in a server that hosted the state’s voter registration database, allowing them to access 90,000 voter records. But the Russians were apparently unsuccessful in finding vulnerabilities in other state election sites and evidently never bothered at all with servers in Georgia, according to the agency.

This was odd because around the same time the Russians were targeting other states, a security researcher in Georgia named Logan Lamb discovered a serious security vulnerability in an election server in his state. The vulnerability allowed him to download the state’s entire database of 6.7 million registered voters and would have allowed him or any other intruder to alter versions of the database distributed to counties prior to the election. Lamb also found PDFs with instructions and passwords for election workers to sign in to a central server on Election Day as well as software files for the state’s ExpressPoll pollbooks—the electronic devices used by poll workers to verify voters’ eligibility to vote before allowing them to cast a ballot.

The unpatched and misconfigured server had been vulnerable since 2014 and was managed by the Center for Election Systems, a small training and testing center that until recently occupied a former two-story house on the Kennesaw State University campus. Until last year, the Ccnter was responsible for programming every voting machine across the state, raising concerns that if the Russians or other adversaries had been able to penetrate the center’s servers as Lamb had done, they might have been able to find a way to subvert software distributed by the center to voting machines across the state.

But Georgia Secretary of State Brian Kemp, who was the only state election official to refuse security assistance from the Department of Homeland Security prior to the election, has insisted for more than a year that his state’s voting systems were never at risk in the 2016 election, because DHS told him the Russians had not targeted Georgia.

This changed on Friday, however, when the Justice Department unsealed the indictment against 12 Russian intelligence officers who oversaw an operation that, the department says, included targeting county websites in Georgia.

On or around Oct. 28, 2016, Anatoliy Sergeyevich Kovalev and Aleksandr Vladimirovich Osadchuk, both officers in the Russian military assigned to Unit 74455, allegedly conspired with others to hack into computers involved in U.S. election administration, according to the complaint. This included scoping out the websites of unidentified counties in Iowa, Florida and Georgia to identify vulnerabilities they could use to access back-end servers. The indictment doesn’t state directly, but implies, that the servers were part of infrastructure for county election offices.

Asked about this new revelation, a spokeswoman for the Georgia secretary of state’s office declined to address it directly, saying only that the secretary of state’s own office had never been breached.

“We have never been hacked, and according to President Trump and the Department Of Homeland Security, we have never been targeted,” Candice Broce wrote in an email. “Georgia has secure, accessible, and fair elections because [Secretary of State Brian] Kemp has leveraged private sector solutions for robust cybersecurity, well before any of those options were offered by the federal government.”

In truth, Kemp’s office would not have been the most likely target for Russian hackers, since his office has had little to do with the administration of elections in Georgia since at least 2002, when it contracted that responsibility to the Center for Election Systems. For 15 years, it was well known that the Center was responsible for training election workers, programming the state’s electronic voting machines before each election and distributing the voter registration database to counties. The Center’s servers would have been the ideal target for Russian hackers, says Marilyn Marks, executive director of the Coalition for Good Governance, the group behind the lawsuit against the secretary of state.

“These sophisticated agents certainly [would have known] that Georgia’s entire election programming and management system, including private voter data, was on a single central computer managed by Secretary of State Kemp’s contract agent at Kennesaw State University,” she told Politico.


But hey, black voters are registering in Georgia and casting votes so nothing to see here, folks. I mean, the office of the Republican SoS running for governor assures us HE'S been assured by none other than President Trump that the Russians had no interest in Georgia so you can, how does Trump say it? Go to bed and sleep well knowing Russia isn't a threat to US elections, and certainly not in Georgia.


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Ouch. The Georgia SoS doesn't really inspire confidence.
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I'd just like to remind the casual reader the backslapping fart sniffing smuggist can't answer the following:


How many polling stations have been closed across Georgia?

How many polling stations have been opened across Georgia?

Where are they all located?

How many are there in total?

How many Black voters have been registered as compared to 2016?

These bastions of Liberal intelligentsia apparently believe old Black people will walk miles to cast a vote instead of driving or using mail-in ballots, that Black people are too stupid to figure out how to cast a ballot without their White help, and that Democrats don't engage in poll station shennanigans, gerrymandering, or any other tricks they're accusing Conservatives of doing.

The extremists on this thread demonstrate perfectly how we in the center need to start kicking them out of our political affilitions. They're impervious to rational thought, and rational discourse. Everything always tilts toward all the ills of society being a White Male Heterosexual's fault, followed by various gradations of privilege until we get to the absurd place that victim classes bear no fault, no responsibility, and can never overcome whatever manufactured obstacle is created any given day.

That is where we're at these days, and that is how the Left has completely altered reality toward what is now a dystopian social abortion we have to figure out how to clean up. Thanks, Leftists!

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In the face of madness, rationality has no power - Xiao Wang, US historiographer, 2287 AD.

Every record...falsified, every book rewritten...every statue...has been renamed or torn down, every date...altered...the process is continuing...minute by minute. History has stopped. Nothing exists except an endless present in which the Ideology is always right.
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Lemmie wrote:Ouch. The Georgia SoS doesn't really inspire confidence.

Doesn't he, though?

It would have seemed amazing to me that such blatant behavior would be excused just a couple of years ago. But in the current political climate, it just seems like one more example among many.
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Doctor CamNC4Me wrote:The extremists on this thread demonstrate perfectly how we in the center ...

:lol:

Good old moderate, centrist Cam...

Doctor CamNC4Me wrote:Meanwhile, back on planet Earth, the system itself promotes women and privileged minorities over Whites and un-privileged minorities at virtually every echelon, from education, to grants, to contracts, to promotion, and everything in between. Whites are openly discriminated against, held back, and judged not by the content of their character or their abilities, but rather on the unfortunate mistake of having been born with less pigment in their skin than people who get promoted based on gender, skin color, or minority status.
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cam wrote:...Whites are openly discriminated against, held back, and judged not by the content of their character or their abilities,...
Wow.

Maybe he meant to post that on his Stormfront account.
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Lemmie wrote:
cam wrote:...Whites are openly discriminated against, held back, and judged not by the content of their character or their abilities,...
Wow.

Maybe he meant to post that on his Stormfront account.


Aaaaand there it is. I thought Lemmie was putting me on ignore? Whatever the case may be I'm saddened to see yet another Leftist fall to the follies racism. *shrugs*

- Doc
In the face of madness, rationality has no power - Xiao Wang, US historiographer, 2287 AD.

Every record...falsified, every book rewritten...every statue...has been renamed or torn down, every date...altered...the process is continuing...minute by minute. History has stopped. Nothing exists except an endless present in which the Ideology is always right.
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honorentheos wrote:
Doctor CamNC4Me wrote:The extremists on this thread demonstrate perfectly how we in the center ...

:lol:

Good old moderate, centrist Cam...

Doctor CamNC4Me wrote:Meanwhile, back on planet Earth, the system itself promotes women and privileged minorities over Whites and un-privileged minorities at virtually every echelon, from education, to grants, to contracts, to promotion, and everything in between. Whites are openly discriminated against, held back, and judged not by the content of their character or their abilities, but rather on the unfortunate mistake of having been born with less pigment in their skin than people who get promoted based on gender, skin color, or minority status.


But it's true. There are dozens of programs in place to ensure "the playing field" is leveled to a degree. And yet... It's not enough! We need more paternalism, no? It's not like Title IX was expanded from sports to gender, sexual, and racial identity. It's not like the EEOC exists. And yet... Here we are.

- Doc
In the face of madness, rationality has no power - Xiao Wang, US historiographer, 2287 AD.

Every record...falsified, every book rewritten...every statue...has been renamed or torn down, every date...altered...the process is continuing...minute by minute. History has stopped. Nothing exists except an endless present in which the Ideology is always right.
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cam wrote: the system itself promotes women and privileged minorities over Whites and un-privileged minorities at virtually every echelon, from education, to grants, to contracts, to promotion, and everything in between. Whites are openly discriminated against, held back, and judged not by the content of their character or their abilities, but rather on the unfortunate mistake of having been born with less pigment in their skin than people who get promoted based on gender, skin color, or minority status.

cam wrote:But it's true.

It's official. It's from his Stormfront account.
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Lemmie wrote:Ouch. The Georgia SoS doesn't really inspire confidence.
honorentheos wrote:Doesn't he, though?

It would have seemed amazing to me that such blatant behavior would be excused just a couple of years ago. But in the current political climate, it just seems like one more example among many.

At least people have been made aware of his behavior. Hopefully that will have an impact in the upcoming election.
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This does lead to some interesting discussions about the tug and pull between, say, capitalism (White Male Patriarchy I guess) and Socialism (the rest of us trying to have a voice within the systems in which we find ourselves).

It may have been Jordan Peterson that came up with this analogy, but I'm not sure how to google it to find it, but I'll trudge ahead anyway. Monopoly is a good example of capitalism. It was, in fact, created to demonstrate the pitfalls of capitalism and is intended to be played rigidly by the rules you find on the inside of the box. If you follow the rules, you'll find the game actually goes pretty quickly and either a particularly savvy player or a lucky one will begin to dominate the game in a fairly quick fashion. I think the game generally goes for about an hour.

This is capitalism, in that it does reward certain people under set circumstances. However, it begins to become very rigid, the system of capitalism, and as I believe Peterson says it begins to ossify. It becomes corrupt because the hierarchy that is born out shuts out other players, latecomers, unlucky types, whathaveyou.

The interesting thing, though, is virtually no one plays the game of Monopoly by the rules. We all invent rules to balance out this ossification to create a more balanced playing field. We realize either overtly or intuitively that Monopoly (capitalism) is inherently flawed and we create rules, more and more rules really, that gives people a fair shot at the game.

However, if you create too many rules the game itself is rendered impossible and collapses because people will quit it. The game itself demonstrates that the over-hamstringing of the players causes the system to collapse. We see this repeated throughout the world and history that communism fails every time.

So, we tend to achieve an uneasy truce between rewarding the clever, or risk takers, or hard workers, or ingenious, or whatever AND also create opportunity for those who would lose their voices to the system in relatively short order. It's the give and take, this push and pull, in which we will forever find ourselves.

The question now is how much is too much? The 1%, in my opinion, have too much. The rest of us, the 90%'ers are fighting over the scraps so it's fairly easy to get lost in identity politics, which is the weapon of choice by the Left to try to wrest scraps from those who have too much. I don't really have a problem with socialism, in fact, I'm a huge fan of it since I was employed by a socialist government and now enjoy a taxpayer-funded retirement in addition to enjoying having invested in the private sector.

What I find odd is how the Left can't seem to sell their positions on their own merits, but instead resort to targeting so-called privileged types and attempt to silence all points of views that don't align with their notions of equality. Their equality is now degrading speech, freedom of association, ignoring reality, and creating a hostile environment for those who don't quite agree with their heavy-handed, and now government (and private sector) enforced insanity of doing away with due process, and various other forms of unequal application of the law. I get they're attempting to limit the power of those in power, but they seem to zealously prosecute those in the public arena of not really buying off on their narrative. They're as scary and vindictive as those they claim blessed with privilege.

Not that I could get any of the Leftists on this board to meet me half way on these points, but it bears posting and letting them manifest themselves as completely intolerant, oblivious, vicious, and abusive as they claim others are. It's weird.

- Doc
In the face of madness, rationality has no power - Xiao Wang, US historiographer, 2287 AD.

Every record...falsified, every book rewritten...every statue...has been renamed or torn down, every date...altered...the process is continuing...minute by minute. History has stopped. Nothing exists except an endless present in which the Ideology is always right.
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