A taste of Prager U

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Cam wrote:The 1%, in my opinion, have too much. The rest of us, the 90%'ers ...

Well, that explains a lot. Your entire set of objections about gender, race, and sexual identity are really just rants against the 1% with money. No wonder your comments are so inconsistent. How sad.
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Trying to find my Jordan-Monopoly example I came across this:

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/20 ... ntify-mar/

Jordan B. Peterson: Liberals are failing to police 'pathological extremism'

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By Douglas Ernst - The Washington Times - Friday, April 13, 2018

Clinical psychologist Jordan B. Peterson says the time has come for liberals and “left-leaning” individuals to “identity the markers of pathological extremism.”

The author of the best-selling book “12 Rules for Life: An Antidote to Chaos” told the popular YouTube channel “Big Think” this week that liberal activists and academics have not found a way to “box in” radicals as their counterparts on the right have done. He told its 2.2 million subscribers that right-wing groups embracing doctrines of racial superiority are easily spotted and ostracized while left-wing radicals benefit from a dearth of widely accepted identifiers.

“What’s interesting is that on the conservative side of the spectrumwe’ve figured out how to box in the radicals and say, ‘no, you’re outside the domain of acceptable opinion,’” the University of Toronto professor said. “Now, here’s the issue. We know that things can go too far on the right, and we know that things can go too far on the left. But we don’t know what the markers are for going too far on the left. I would say that it’s ethically incumbent on those who are liberal or left-leaning to identity the markers of pathological extremism on the left and to distinguish themselves from the people who hold those pathological viewpoints — and I don’t see that that’s being done.”

“I think that’s a colossal ethical failure and it may doom the liberal-left project,” Mr. Peterson continued. “The lefties have their point. They’re driven fundamentally by a horror of inequality and the catastrophes that inequality produces — and fair enough because inequality is a massive social force and it does produce, it can produce catastrophic consequences. So to be concerned about that is reasonable, but we do know that that concern can go to far.”

The author concluded that “diversity, inclusivity and equity” serve as a triumvirate of concepts that “have the same potentially catastrophic outcomes when implemented as the racial superiority doctrines.”

“I would say of the three, equity is the most unacceptable, the doctrine of equality of outcome,” he said. “It seems to me that that’s where people who are thoughtful on the left should draw the line and say nope. Equality of opportunity, not only [is it] fair enough, [it’s] even laudable. But equality of outcome? It’s like, ‘no, you’ve crossed the line. We’re not going there with you.’”


The entire quote is worth reading and digesting. I think he has a fair point. It's easy to point to racists and Nazis and supremacists on the Right and say, "Nope. Not for me, and not for us.", but what are we doing to find the extremists on the Left and box them in, too? I don't think that's happening, and right now they're running roughshod over the entire political spectrum. And I think we don't distance ourselves from them, call them out and ostracize them like we do with those on the Right, then we run the risk of the balance we kind of have tilting further to the Right. I, for one, don't want to wait until the Baby Boomers die off in the off-hand chance we find that balance.

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In the face of madness, rationality has no power - Xiao Wang, US historiographer, 2287 AD.

Every record...falsified, every book rewritten...every statue...has been renamed or torn down, every date...altered...the process is continuing...minute by minute. History has stopped. Nothing exists except an endless present in which the Ideology is always right.
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Lemmie wrote:
Cam wrote:The 1%, in my opinion, have too much. The rest of us, the 90%'ers ...

Well, that explains a lot. Your entire set of objections about gender, race, and sexual identity are really just rants against the 1% with money. No wonder your comments are so inconsistent. How sad.


It was a quick comment meant to build bridges, but if you want to run with it feel free to go there, Lemmie.

- Doc
In the face of madness, rationality has no power - Xiao Wang, US historiographer, 2287 AD.

Every record...falsified, every book rewritten...every statue...has been renamed or torn down, every date...altered...the process is continuing...minute by minute. History has stopped. Nothing exists except an endless present in which the Ideology is always right.
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Lemmie wrote:
Cam wrote:The 1%, in my opinion, have too much. The rest of us, the 90%'ers ...

Well, that explains a lot. Your entire set of objections about gender, race, and sexual identity are really just rants against the 1% with money. No wonder your comments are so inconsistent. How sad.

cam wrote:It was a quick comment meant to build bridges...
Right. Because building bridges is what you do. :rolleyes:
That 1% really gets your goat, I get it. Still not an excuse for your attacks on everyone else, so grow up.
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Lemmie wrote:Maybe he meant to post that on his Stormfront account.

Lemmie wrote:It's official. It's from his Stormfront account.

What is it, exactly, that provides you (and others on this board) to so freely apply labels like "stormfront" member upon other people?

Clearly, it's another example of how the utter and complete intolerance of anyone who has an opposing view/opinion - ignites infantile personal attacks and vile innuendos.
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A taste of Prager U
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Analytics wrote:A taste of Prager U
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(Good one, Analytics!)
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Lemmie wrote: Still not an excuse for your attacks on everyone else, so grow up.

Did you really write that? To him? In this thread?

That's beyond hilarious!
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On socialism, when has one crossed to the extreme along this spectrum? Where is the center?

No Public Commons: no emergency services, no public utilities or services, no public schools, no grants, no agencies, no meaningful standing army, etc.
In five words or less: Buy it or do without.


Bare Minimal Public Commons: Same as above, except for a police force, fire department.
In five words or less: This better be an emergency.


Minimal Public Commons: Publicly funded and trained emergency services, roads and freeways, public K-12 schools
In five words or less: Things Invented by Ben Franklin


A Little Less Minimal Public Commons: All of the above, adding federal grants to support scientific research and federally managed retirement safety net, subsidized utility infrastructure such as water, sewer, and electrical.
In five words or less: The 1950s minus the MIC*


A Post-WWII Public Commons: All of the above, adding a standing military, federal agencies that oversee the use or impacts to the public commons such as education, environment, and energy, and public land agencies.
In five words or less: Baseline since the 1970s


Slightly Progressive Public Commons: All of the above, adding public universities and grants for higher education, advanced agencies overseeing space programs, pharmaceutical testing and approval, etc.
In five words or less: Reagan-era Patriotic Programs Now Controversial


Progressive Public Commons: All of the above, adding public post-secondary education, heavily funded federal secondary education programs.
In five words or less: Think Singapore


Stronger Progressive Public Commons: All of the above, adding universal healthcare.
In five words or less: Think Scandinavia


Very Progressive Public Commons: All of the above, adding universal basic income or similar option to ensure baseline economic needs are always met.
In five words or less: Star Trek Minus the Teleporters


I left out a lot, but was curious given the idea that capitalism v socialism is in the zeitgeist now. I saw an article on it over the weekend, and that more younger Americans view socialism favorably than do capitalism. To me, the question begged is what either really mean in a world were none of us have ever lived in a purely competitive capitalist society. And no American has a real consciousness of where they benefit from government-supported industry and public goods. Like socialism is reducible to universal healthcare and free college ala Bernie Sanders...

* I cheated. The MIC = Military-Industrial-Complex
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Lemmie wrote:That 1% really gets your goat, I get it. Still not an excuse for your attacks on everyone else, so grow up.


I guess?

Here's the thing. I think White Liberals are probably the most racist people on the planet. Let me explain myself.

You see, White Liberals know better. That much is clear. They got it figured out, and yet, they still participate in the system of oppression to their benefit.

White Liberals know better, and yet they choose to self-segregate. They do that deliberately despite knowing of their advantages. They set themselves apart from the oppressed. And that's racist.

If you're White, did you have White babies? Why would you do that knowing that White Privilege exist and is insufferably oppressive to non-White peoples? Why don't White Liberals, if they really believe in systemic White Privilege forgo having White children, and instead adopt non-White kids, raise them with their privilege, give them a chance at a better life, and then usher them into the privilege from which they now benefit? If you have White kids you're an oppressor and you're continuing the cycle of oppression through legacy oppression. That's an inescapable fact.

If you're White, do you choose to live in an economically depressed neighborhood that could benefit from you rehabilitating a property, bringing your White economic bleed-over to property values, to schools, to industry, etc. Or do you self-segregate into a neighborhood that benefits from your inherent privilege? Do you send your kids to better schools, when in fact they should go to an economically non-White school so they can share their privilege through influence, ideology, and association? If you're White, and don't live in a non-White neighborhood and go to a non-White majority school then you're perpetuating racism and privilege.

If you're White and choose to enjoy inherited wealth or pass on legacy wealth to your White children then you're perpetuating a White racist privileged dynamic. Why aren't you bequeathing your wealth to non-Whites so they can have the opportunity of outcome that you enjoy? Instead of sending your White children to, say, a good university why aren't you sending children of different ethnicity to school in lieu of your own kids? That's racism and privilege perpetuated.

If you really believe in the things you champion, then why aren't you living in a depressed neighborhood, picking up trash, participating in community councils, ridding yourself of your wealth, ensuring your privilege is passed to others?

If you're especially a White Liberal woman and you choose to participate in the patriarchy and don't marry a POC, then you're just perpetuating your privilege. Women can change the world by choosing their partners, and if they're not choosing POC partners then they just build another block upon which the patriarchy exists. You literally create the next generation of privileged persons at the disadvantage of POCs. That's racist. That's a fact.

You see. Racism is a choice. And White Liberals know better. They damned know it, and yet they still perpetuate it. It's an inescapable reality of knowing better, but still choosing to act in YOUR interest. Your White interest. And that's racist. Hands down.

Y'all need to put your houses in order instead of preaching to everyone else from your ivory towers, safely away from those POCs you purport to advocate for, but in reality your keep at a safe distance in every sense of the word. That's racism. And that's a fact.

- Doc
In the face of madness, rationality has no power - Xiao Wang, US historiographer, 2287 AD.

Every record...falsified, every book rewritten...every statue...has been renamed or torn down, every date...altered...the process is continuing...minute by minute. History has stopped. Nothing exists except an endless present in which the Ideology is always right.
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