It's a dictatorship where citizens lack basic human rights.
I had no issues when I was there.
That's the experience of lots of people in every autocracy or totalitarian set up. It would be true of citizens in countries ranging from modern day China or Saudi Arabia to Nazi Germany.
That you personally weren't killed for writing newspaper articles critical of Vladimir Putin doesn't mean that human rights are respected in Russia.
EAllusion wrote:That's the experience of lots of people in every autocracy or totalitarian set up. It would be true of citizens in countries ranging from modern day China or Saudi Arabia to Nazi Germany.
That you personally weren't killed for writing newspaper articles critical of Vladimir Putin doesn't mean that human rights are respected in Russia.
Look, freedom of press is overrated anyways. Besides if they didn't want to tragically disappear in the middle of night/get blown up/have their families imprisoned maybe they should learn to be nicer.
"If you consider what are called the virtues in mankind, you will find their growth is assisted by education and cultivation." -Xenophon of Athens
South African farmers are killed for being white and owning land. This is left's version of a country moving forward and progressing. It's just a matter of perspective and which side you're on.
And when the confederates saw Jackson standing fearless as a stone wall the army of Northern Virginia took courage and drove the federal army off their land.
ajax18 wrote:South African farmers are killed for being white and owning land. This is left's version of a country moving forward and progressing. It's just a matter of perspective and which side you're on.
One, that's acutally a falsewhite supremacist conspiracy theory. The fact that you are saying it as well established fact is just telling on yourself. Two, even if that were true, that wouldn't mean it is the goal of center-left people and leaders the world over. That's ridiculous. Three, this is tu quoque fallacy. Even if that were the goal of "the left" it would follow that Russian autocracy is good. Those aren't mutually exhaustive political options.
Shorter Ajax: Either you support white genocide or you get behind white nationalist fascism.
Yeah, no. That might fly on Nazi message boards you have traditionally hung out on, but most people can see through that as an absurd false choice.
ajax18 wrote:South African farmers are killed for being white and owning land. This is left's version of a country moving forward and progressing. It's just a matter of perspective and which side you're on.
Were you bitching about Whites being oppressors when they were in power? Do you care that South African Whites own over 76% of the arable land in South Africa? Why do you care about South Africa? I mean, the ANC has a plan in place to disempower Whites, literally, and redistribute their wealth to party members, but, I dunno, why do you feel like you have a dog in the fight and why do you equate ANC (and other black South African political parties) policy to US Democratic policies? It's odd. It makes no sense.
- Doc
In the face of madness, rationality has no power - Xiao Wang, US historiographer, 2287 AD.
Every record...falsified, every book rewritten...every statue...has been renamed or torn down, every date...altered...the process is continuing...minute by minute. History has stopped. Nothing exists except an endless present in which the Ideology is always right.
ajax18 wrote:South African farmers are killed for being white and owning land. This is left's version of a country moving forward and progressing. It's just a matter of perspective and which side you're on.
Were you bitching about Whites being oppressors when they were in power? Do you care that South African Whites own over 76% of the arable land in South Africa? Why do you care about South Africa? I mean, the ANC has a plan in place to disempower Whites, literally, and redistribute their wealth to party members, but, I dunno, why do you feel like you have a dog in the fight and why do you equate ANC (and other black South African political parties) policy to US Democratic policies? It's odd. It makes no sense.
- Doc
Ajax isn’t talking about the ANC’s very real redistributionist reparations policies or the party’s corruption. And he sure as heck isn’t talking about the nuanced debate inside of that. He’s referring to the idea that a lawless mass killing of white farmers to steal their land, silently backed by South African politicians, is occurring. It isn’t, but you would not know that if your main information streams are white supremacist websites and affiliated organizations.
The idea that this is the inevitable endpoint of center-left politics in general, and the alternative to backing the Russian model of government, is both insane and probably what he actually thinks. Your either with the whites or against ‘em. Russia or white genocide.
South Africa moving to expropriate white farmers' land
Country's president says ruling party to push ahead with plans to redistribute land, without compensation for white farmers, widening concerns.
by Nadim Baba 1 Aug 2018
South Africa's president says the ruling African National Congress (ANC) will push ahead with plans for the expropriation of land from white farmers, without compensation.
Cyril Ramaphosa says the ANC will try to amend the Constitution with the support of the left-wing Economic Freedom Fighters.
The issue of land ownership is one of the most contentious in South Africa.
Concerned voices point to the case study of neighbouring Zimbabwe, where the economy collapsed after land reform was carried out.
Al Jazeera's Nadim Baba has more.
I think the thing the politicians ought to keep in mind, and I believe the Soviet Union saw this with their land reforms, is there exists and inverse square of productivity regarding farmers. From what I can see just googling it quickly is if you have, say, 100 farmers something like 10 of those farmers produce ~90% of the food the country consumes and exports. Raise the number to 10,000 and you get 100, so on and so forth. If the ANC and its enablers move forward with the plan to give arable land back to their constituents, they better ensure they're giving it to people who can farm with productivity and sustainability in mind otherwise they're going to have disastrous results.
- Doc
In the face of madness, rationality has no power - Xiao Wang, US historiographer, 2287 AD.
Every record...falsified, every book rewritten...every statue...has been renamed or torn down, every date...altered...the process is continuing...minute by minute. History has stopped. Nothing exists except an endless present in which the Ideology is always right.
Doctor CamNC4Me wrote:Al-Jazeera reports a bit differently:
The article is from August 1st. Frum's article was written today and reflects some more recent backing down on earlier comments while recognizing the political situation is fluid.