Damage Done by the Right-Wing Media in 2016

[_Maksutov]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/ ... d6a584eb32

Later, centrists and liberals searching for a culprit behind the ascent of Donald Trump and the war on fact that surrounds him joined the conservative crusade. Michiko Kakutani, the cultural critic and author of “The Death of Truth,” blames the relativism that facilitated Trump’s rise on “academics promoting the gospel of postmodernism.” Lamenting the state of American politics under Trump, philosopher Daniel Dennett said in an interview last year, “I think what the postmodernists did was truly evil.” And when Rudy Giuliani recently told NBC’s Chuck Todd that “truth isn’t truth,” Vox claimed that it wasn’t “the first time Trump’s legal team has played postmodernist and hinted that it might be too hard to discern the truth because it’s all relative anyway.”

[_honorentheos]

http://reason.com/blog/2018/08/31/franc ... tics-trump

Since the discussion is turning that direction, this excerpt from an interview with Francis Fukuyama caught my attention today. There are aspects of this thread and other recent discussion points it touches. I suspect there's something in it for most. And something to disagree with as well.

.Fukuyama, a former neoconservative who later became a critic of the Iraq War and voted for Barack Obama in 2008, notes that each of these leftist groups is justified in seeking recognition. But the tactic of associating a certain problem with a specific identity group, he adds, can backfire horribly:

The problem is in the way we interpret injustice and how we try to solve it, which tends to fragment society. In the 20th century, for example, the left was based around the working class and economic exploitation rather than the exploitation of specific identity groups. That has a lot of implications for possible solutions to injustice. For example, one of the problems of making poverty a characteristic of a specific group is that it weakens support for the welfare state. Take something like Obamacare, which I think was an important policy. A lot of its opponents interpreted it as a race-specific policy: This was the black president doing something for his black constituents.

I expressed similar concerns when I suggested that political correctness was partly responsible for the right-wing backlash that produced President Trump.

Fukuyama has some interesting thoughts about the campus free speech problem, which he claims is not a full-blown crisis, despite the occasional dust-ups. He also discusses his experience as a student of Jacques Derrida, a French philosopher often lampooned by Jordan Peterson.

[_moksha]

Trump is now up to 2,436 false claims for the first 584 days of his presidency, an average of 4.2 per day. Trump made 67 such false claims last week.
https://www.thestar.com/news/world/2018/08/30/trump-makes-67-false-claims-in-5th-most-dishonest-week-as-president.html

[_Doctor CamNC4Me]

Trump is now up to 2,436 false claims for the first 584 days of his presidency, an average of 4.2 per day. Trump made 67 such false claims last week.
https://www.thestar.com/news/world/2018/08/30/trump-makes-67-false-claims-in-5th-most-dishonest-week-as-president.html

The reader should go through the list in Moksha's link. Well. The Conservative reader should do that. It's fascinating and disturbing.

- Doc

[_ajax18]

Ajax, a literal Nazi sympathizer who thinks blacks are morally inferior to whites due to biology and favors a white ethnostate, describes himself as "supposedly a racist."

I don't necessarilly think blacks are morally inferior to whites. I explored the idea at what time. I just haven't been able to make sense of the way I see them behave in real life. Nor do I believe we need a white ethnostate, though I would like to see the country divided into separate Trump and antiTrump nations. But as they say, don't explain. Your friends don't need it and your enemies won't believe it.

How do you explain my support for Allen West, David Clark, DeSantis, or me voting for Ted Cruz in the Republican primary? There's a significant number of Hispanics who like me understand the problems with socialism, overpopulation, and why things haven't really worked out in their native countries they've fled. They're good Republicans now.

[_ajax18]

I thought of you EAllusion when I was googling the possibility of abolishing social security. I was quite surprised to see Gary Johnson's name come up. I bet you're glad you didn't ultimately support him given your love of the program.

[_canpakes]

Nor do I believe we need a white ethnostate, though I would like to see the country divided into separate Trump and antiTrump nations.

Serious questions:
1. Has a name been proposed for either the ‘pro-Trump’ or remaining country?
2. What happens after Trump leaves office? Does the population mix of either recalculate and/or do we see cross-border reshuffling of folks based on new candidates?

[_subgenius]

Trump is now up to 2,436 false claims for the first 584 days of his presidency, an average of 4.2 per day. Trump made 67 such false claims last week.
https://www.thestar.com/news/world/2018/08/30/trump-makes-67-false-claims-in-5th-most-dishonest-week-as-president.html

Yet 4 other Presidents had higher rates, nice....where would you have preferred his ranking?
Either way, is it fair to measure just by quantity? Shouldn't we weigh such measures by quality as well? Like "I didn't have sex with her" seems like a 1...but "you can keep your doctor" is like a 5.

[_honorentheos]

Trump is now up to 2,436 false claims for the first 584 days of his presidency, an average of 4.2 per day. Trump made 67 such false claims last week.
https://www.thestar.com/news/world/2018/08/30/trump-makes-67-false-claims-in-5th-most-dishonest-week-as-president.html

Yet 4 other Presidents had higher rates, nice....where would you have preferred his ranking?
Either way, is it fair to measure just by quantity? Shouldn't we weigh such measures by quality as well? Like "I didn't have sex with her" seems like a 1...but "you can keep your doctor" is like a 5.

Hey subbie, this was Trump's fifth worst week for lying. Trump also took 1st, 2nd, 3rd and 4th. It's not ranking Presidents against one another. It's tracking how incapable Trump is of being honest.

[_MissTish]

The idea that DeSantis meant anything racist by "monkey around," is just the Democrats going to their race card playbook which is going to be futile for them in this election. I seriously doubt a democratic socialist like Gillum is going to win in Florida, though it is appalling that he has any support at all given his radical communist platform. The truth is that Latinos like De Santis are the kind of people that will ultimately save Florida from the state income taxes that citizens of other states suffer and perhaps even finally get our borders enforced. I can't say enough good about DeSantis and I'm supposedly a racist who hates latinos. We're not just coexisting in the Republican party. This is the coalition that will ultimately save the conservative movement.

Ron DeSantis is not a Latino.

You can't even get bigotry right, can you?