Another PragerU video: Left vs. Liberal

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Prager channels Raskolnikov? :eek:
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Maksutov wrote:Prager channels Raskolnikov? :eek:


Karamazov?
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honorentheos wrote:
Maksutov wrote:Prager channels Raskolnikov? :eek:

Karamazov?

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Maksutov wrote:Prager channels Raskolnikov? :eek:
honorentheos wrote:Karamazov?

Crime and Punishment.

Ah. I thought you might be referring to the famous quote from Ivan Karamazov that without God everything is permissible from the Brothers Karamazov. I'm not familiar enough with Crime and Punishment to see the link from Prager to Raskolnikov. You'll have to enlighten me.
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honorentheos wrote:Ah. I thought you might be referring to the famous quote from Ivan Karamazov that without God everything is permissible from the Brothers Karamazov. I'm not familiar enough with Crime and Punishment to see the link from Prager to Raskolnikov. You'll have to enlighten me.


It's a subject where Dostoyevsky often repeated himself. It's in The Devils too.
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Some Schmo wrote:
DoubtingThomas wrote:"If There Is No God, Murder Isn't Wrong" - PragerUniversity, which is not really a University.

That quote alone is enough to never consume anything PragerUninformed again.

I agree with you.
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DoubtingThomas wrote:"If There Is No God, Murder Isn't Wrong" - PragerUniversity, which is not really a University.


How can you say that? I just proudly hung my PragerU diploma next to my Trump University diploma. That's 2 college degrees. I am highly educated.
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Re: Another PragerU video: Left vs. Liberal

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Prager wasn't as "accurate" in the video as he should have been.

What he is describing as Liberal is essentially "Classical Liberalism", not the co-opted term of "liberal" that the Left claimed in the early part of the last century when Progressive became a bad word.

Now you'll note how they are again trying to be Progressives since liberal has become a bad word.
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ldsfaqs wrote:Now you'll note how they are again trying to be Progressives...

Excellent point, it is a dialectical war between the bad progressives and the good regressives.
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ldsfaqs wrote:Prager wasn't as "accurate" in the video as he should have been.

What he is describing as Liberal is essentially "Classical Liberalism", not the co-opted term of "liberal" that the Left claimed in the early part of the last century when Progressive became a bad word.

Now you'll note how they are again trying to be Progressives since liberal has become a bad word.


"Liberal" became associated with modern liberalism because classic liberalism split into a smallish libertarian school of thought that was mostly politically aligned with conservatives until recently and a much larger group of modern liberals. It wasn't a co-opting. It was just political evolution. Sort of like how we call positions now "conservative" even though they are radically different than what an archtypal conservative might support in another era. Granted, one of your hangups is not understanding evolution of political thought, so this will be hard for you to get.
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