Sexism at the US Open

[_Lemmie]

My intuition is that we all know sexism is rife in tennis, so the final penalty could’ve been informed by gender bias, but probably wasn’t.

So your intuition tells you that not only is there sexism, but that everyone knows it, and therefore... the final penalty probably wasn't influenced by sexism? I feel like you are missing a step there. How did you go from "sexism is rife" to concluding "no sexism this time"?

[_Xenophon]

For me, I'm just not sure that there is enough evidence to know definitively if Ramos ruled as he did out of sexism or just his general nit-picky ahole nature. However, due to the rampant sexism throughout tennis generally, I'm fine with this being the catalyst for discussing and addressing the problem (hopefully).

It isn't unlike how I'm less sympathetic towards some of the "milder" cases of sexual harassment being caught up in the #metoo backlash along with the more serious abusers. It probably isn't entirely fair to lump them all together but these kinds of historical corrections often catch up others in their wake.

[_Brackite]

Was it racial discrimination on the part of chair umpire Carlos Ramos? Is Carlos Ramos considered white enough to be capable of racism against Williams?

I don't believe that white people are only capable of racism.

[_ajax18]

For what it is worth, my intuition is that we all know sexism is rife in tennis, so the final penalty could’ve been informed by gender bias, but probably wasn’t. The result is a person likely getting thrown under the bus because doing so serves the cause of tackling what people know exists. But I don’t have confidence in that take, so my real answer is a shrug of the shoulders.

If sexism is so rife in tennis, why aren't all the WTA players getting point penalties and disqualifications?

[_Kevin Graham]

Oh yeah Roddick Fish, and Blake probably agree with her. Roddick is a real prick in real life as well and dished out a fair amount of abuse to chair umpires. But again, all of these guys are retired now. And I've yet to see any of them be stupid enough to keep behaving this way when you know your next code of conduct will cost you games. It makes me think Serena knew she was going to lose and wanted an excuse. Most of the tennis world outside of the elites see this for what it was, playing the gender card.

Virtually every Tennis professional agrees with her.

This judge has never done the same thing to a man in hotly contested major finals.

She was flagged because the judge said her coach looked at her from the stands? Seriously? The greatest female tennis player ever needs coaching? Everyone speaking with experience on this subject says this happens all the time but no one ever is penalized for it especially in a finals match like this.

It would be the equivalent of saying a home run to win a game 7 in the world series should instead count as a third out because an umpire from the other side of the field thinks the base runner didn't quite touch third base.

The news cycle is also talking about how this female tennis player was penalized for removing her shirt when this never happens to men.

[_Xenophon]

If sexism is so rife in tennis, why aren't all the WTA players getting point penalties and disqualifications?

Because we all know sexism can only manifest itself in point penalties, amirite? Not one of your finer rhetorical moments.

[_ajax18]

I'm fine with this being the catalyst for discussing and addressing the problem (hopefully).

Even Navritilova admitted that alleging that men get away with the same behavior as Serena <which isn't even true> it doesn't excuse Serena's behavior.

[_ajax18]

If sexism is so rife in tennis, why aren't all the WTA players getting point penalties and disqualifications?

Because we all know sexism can only manifest itself in point penalties, amirite? Not one of your finer rhetorical moments.

I'm just saying that if it's about gender why aren't the other women having the same problems? And how does this sexism effect the match when it's by definition the same for both competitors? Do you even realize there are no men playing in the WTA?

[_Kevin Graham]

I'm just saying that if it's about gender why aren't the other women having the same problems? And how does this sexism effect the match when it's by definition the same for both competitors? Do you even realize there are no men playing in the WTA?

They are:

https://people.com/sports/female-tennis ... t-us-open/

But your argument is just dumb. Sexism can't exist unless it is overt in every instance with all women?

[_Xenophon]

They are:

https://people.com/sports/female-tennis ... t-us-open/

But your argument is just dumb. Sexism can't exist unless it is overt in every instance with all women?

Not to mention that it isn't just about officiating but about the sport more generally. Maybe we should ask Vandeweghe if she thought it was sexist they cut-off the women's double presentation just so the men could play on time?