Sexism at the US Open

[_EAllusion]

To me that's between the WTA and whoever funds the tournaments. It has nothing to to do with men's tennis.

Differences in how tennis is officiated between men and women is necessarily the heart of whether there is sexism in tennis ajax. It's like you're trying so hard to absolve white men of blame that you've lost track of what you are even disagreeing with.

[_Lemmie]

What is your "intuition that the ump probably wasn't biased (though could have been)" based on?

My intuition? I used the word and everything. Did you miss the part where I also said that I was withholding judgment? I described my intuitive reaction, then said what I intellectually think. The part of my post you keep not quoting says, "But I don’t have confidence in that take, so my real answer is a shrug of the shoulders."

Actually, I did quote that part, so I don't know why you think I "keep not quoting it." But yes, I get it now. Your "intuition."

[_ajax18]

Differences in how tennis is officiated between men and women is necessarily the heart of whether there is sexism in tennis ajax. It's like you're trying so hard to absolve white men of blame that you've lost track of what you are even disagreeing with.

There aren't even any white men involved in this situation! It amazes me how you still manage to blame white men in situations like this. It's like the George Zimmerman case.

The WTA is a completely separate tour from the ATP. Does the fact that the women's tennis ball is lighter, they play fewer sets per match, mean the ATP tour is sexist against the WTA? Why do men and women have to be identical to be equal?

[_EAllusion]

Actually, I did quote that part, so I don't know why you think I "keep not quoting it." But yes, I get it now. Your "intuition."

Let me rephrase that. You keep isolating snippets of my brief post and ask me to react to odd interpretations of it as if the parts you aren't quoting don't already provide the needed context.

Your scare-quotes suggest that you find the idea that people have intuitive likelihood reactions to interpretations of events to be perplexing and alien. You might want to get some genetic testing to determine if you are human.

[_EAllusion]

There aren't even any white men involved in this situation!

Exactly Ajax. Exactly. Yet, here you are utterly confused about what you are even arguing because your skin in the game is so plainly to take on inferences to sexism or racism which is a topic that interests you so much because....

The WTA is a completely separate tour from the ATP. Does the fact that the women's tennis ball is lighter, they play fewer sets per match, mean the ATP tour is racist against the WTA? Why do men and women have to be identical to be equal?

You're right, of course. If men and women don't play with the same weight of ball, there would be nothing sexist about a rule that makes women courtesy at the net after each game while wearing pink tutus.

[_Doctor CamNC4Me]

and that there needs to be "equality", whatever the ____ that means when a double standard today exists, but it actually favors women. It's mind boggling.

- Doc

Doc do you play tennis? This is what most folks are saying on the tennis discussion boards.

No, I don't play and I haven't watched it outside the forced tennis highlights ESPN thinks its obligated to shove down our throats. Actually, that's not entirely true. I think I tune into Wimbeldon when it's compelling.

On an aside, here's an evenhanded assessment on gender bias with regard to the ATP and WTA:

http://thefederalist.com/2017/06/29/yes ... iased-men/

tl;dc - The ATP brings in way more revenue, has a significantly higher viewership than the WTA, and its tickets are in much more demand.

- Doc

[_Lemmie]

You keep isolating snippets of my brief post and ask me to react to odd interpretations of it as if the parts you aren't quoting don't already provide the needed context....

No, I don't. When you said I took your comment out of context, I quoted your ENTIRE post and re-made my point. If you would like to respond by talking about yourself, how you feel, or how you would like to be interpreted, or even respond to my point, feel free, but stop telling me what it is I did, because you are incorrect.

....You might want to get some genetic testing to determine if you are human.

Yes, I am not human, you found me out! Don't tell, because then I would have to spend days talking to all the newspapers and stuff.

Please talk about the topic instead of attempting personal insults.

[_EAllusion]

"Here's an even-handed..."

[Links a Federalist article.]

I did a literal spit-take. Doc. One the one hand, thanks. On the other, now I have to clean my keyboard. It's club soda though. What do you clean club soda with? More club soda?

[_Dr. Shades]

tl;dc - The ATP brings in way more revenue, has a significantly higher viewership than the WTA, and its tickets are in much more demand.

"tl;dc" = "too long; didn't contemplate?"

[_Lemmie]

She was penalized for taking too much time or not waiting for a changeover. It wasn't because she removed her shirt.

Incorrect.

NEW YORK — The U.S. Open on Wednesday clarified its rules about players changing their shirts during a match after a women’s player was penalized for doing so.

The tournament said it regretted the code violation issued to Alize Cornet of France day earlier, a ruling that was criticized by people who thought it was unfair to women because male players frequently do it.

....Cornet returned from a break in action during her match Tuesday with her shirt on backward. She took off the shirt and put it back on correctly while standing near the rear of the court and was given a code violation by the chair umpire.

“I think just the umpire was probably overwhelmed by the situation,” Cornet said. “You know, we were all very hot outside. Maybe it just didn’t make the right decision. Of course, I was surprised when I just changed T-shirt really quick, and he gave me the code violation, I didn’t expect it, and I told him it was pretty weird.”

The penalty drew criticism on social media, with people — including Andy Murray’s mother, Judy — noting that men frequently change their shirts while sitting in their chairs during changeovers.

“The code violation that USTA handed to Alize Cornet during her first round match at the US Open was unfair and it was not based on a WTA rule, as the WTA has no rule against a change of attire on court,” the women’s tour said in a statement. “The WTA has always been and always will be a pioneer for women and women’s sports. This code violation came under the Grand Slam rules and we are pleased to see the USTA has now changed this policy. Alize did nothing wrong.”

U.S. Open officials said all players can change their shirts when sitting in the player chair, adding that women can also change their shirts in a private location near the court if it is available without being assessed a bathroom break.

Cornet was given no further penalty or fine....

https://olympics.nbcsports.com/2018/08/ ... t-penalty/